JimPanse

It is about an image processing where the result is a parameter for a control. Here I need a real-time in the range of 1 ms.

Is it possible to make Windows 10 realtime capable, so that i can use Vision?

I could imagine that RT Linux from a PXI system also works on a PC. This will certainly not be allowed by licensing law.

This means that RT Linux for Desktop PC is theoretically possible. Can I buy a Linzens from RT Linux for Desktop PC´s? And how long will Pharlab ETS be available?

Hello, experts, in the current description of the NI Vision Acquisition Software it says: http://www.ni.com/pdf/manuals/375130k.html Deprecated Features ◾NI - IMAQ 19.0 .... ◾Removed support for LabVIEW Real-Time targets running Phar Lap ETS OS Will the OS Labview Real Time (Phar Lap ETS OS) be discontinued and is there an alternative based on Linux? a good time Jim

Hello, Rolf, thank you for your message. I don't know if I understood it right. The software should be developed under Windows. The program created in this way runs independently on the FPGA and communicates via RT FIFO with RT? If I understood that correctly. Is there an example or a forum post where this is discussed? A nice week start Jim

Similarly I tried to integrate the framegrabber under RT. Since the framegrabber is not found there is no RIO reference. I don't know how this works. A direct image processing is absolutely necessary. And also the data exchange of the results with the fieldbus. The question (which I cannot answer yet) is whether you need an FPGA or can implement it with CUDA. Since I already have experience with FPGA, I chose this solution. I have no experience with CUDA. If I would use CUDA then Windows is mandatory. I don't think CUDA works on RT. The advantage with CUDA would be that you don't need the expensive FPGA frame grabber.

There is currently no 100% definition of the requirements. This is all in a state of flux. Full or Extended Full is required. Power over CL is not mandatory. I need real-time for communication with the 5 most common fieldbus Systems. I didn't understand your suggestion to transfer the FPGA code to the frame grabber under Windows and then use it under RT. How should the communication under Labview Realtime with the frame grabber work if the frame grabber is not recognized under RT?

It can't be that the specification says that the frame grabber is supported and then it doesn't work. I can't afford such a procedure with my products. I could also imagine a different solution approach, e.g. with an additional extension. Make Windows real-time capable. But here I am still at the beginning. Providers who promise this are among others www.intervalzero.com/ https://kithara.com/ www.sybera.de/ …. There are certainly many other providers here. Advantage: The Framegrabber works under Windows. No Labview Realtime would be necessary anymore and the associated expensive licenses and development extensions. What do you think of this solution?

Hello, bbean, thank you for your answer. The frame grabbers PCIe 1477 and PCIe 1473r work under my Windows System. I had the frame grabber PCIe 1473r on loan from NI and can't test it under Labview Realtieme anymore. The frame grabber PCIe 1477 does not work with Labview Realtime on my System. According to the specification: http://download.ni.com/support/softlib//vision/Vision Acquisition Software/18.5/readme_VAS.html NI-IMAQ I/O is driver software for controlling reconfigurable input/output (RIO) on image acquisition devices and real-time targets. The following hardware is supported by NI-IMAQ I/O: ....... NI PCIe-1473R NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 NI PCIe-1477 the frame grabbers should work under Labview Realtime. Do you see it that way? The statement of NI (Munich) is now (after the purchase) that the frame grabber PCIe 1477 should not work under Labview Realtime. I also had the impression that NI was not really interested in solving the problem. For those, Labview Realtime is an obsolete product. The question to NI (Munich) whether the frame grabber PCIe 1473r works under Labview Realtime has not been answered until today. Too bad that nobody else made experience with the frame grabbers under Labview Realtime. A nice week start Jim

Hello, experts, it's a shame that nobody has had any practical experience with the frame grabber under LabVIEW REaltime (Phalab). The documentation contains the following, among other Things: http://download.ni.com/support/softlib//vision/Vision Acquisition Software/18.5/readme_VAS.html NI-IMAQ I/O is driver software for controlling reconfigurable input/output (RIO) on image acquisition devices and real-time targets. The following hardware is supported by NI-IMAQ I/O: ....... NI PCIe-1473R NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 NI PCIe-1477 This means that the frame grabbers NI PCIe-1473R-LX110 ,NI PCIe-1477 work under LabVIEW Realtime (Pharlab)? Thank you very much for your help.. Jim

Does anyone have an idea what you need for the framegrabber to work under LabVIEW Realtime? Has anyone ever made one of the two framegrabbers work under LabVIEW Realtime? Greetings, Jim

The FPGA tool is also available. The frame grabber runs on the same PC under Windows 7 (other hard disk). Does anyone have an idea why the frame grabber is not recognized in realtime? a nice weekend Jim

The frame grabber requires the Imaq IO 18.5. According to NI, Vision Acquistion is supported by Labview Realtime (Pharlab). And all the hardware included in it http://www.ni.com/download/ni-vision-acquisition-software-18.5/7840/en/ It would be interesting to find out if anyone was able to integrate the frame grabber (pcie 1473r or pcie 1477) under Pharlab. Then there would be hope then :) a pleasant time Jim

Hello, experts, I am trying to put the frame grabber PCIe 1477 into operation under Labview Realtime (Desktop PC). Unfortunately the card is neither displayed in the MAX nor in the project. As an alternative the frame grabber PCIe 1473r LX110 would be conceivable. Has anyone ever worked with such a frame grabber under Labview Realtime? Or does anyone know what to consider to make the frame grabber work with Labview Realtime ??? Many thanks for the numerous answers Regards, Jim