purehemp

QUOTE(jccorreu @ Aug 2 2007, 10:26 PM)

OK then in all serioussness....

From what I've seen, sometimes "good" parents have "bad" children, "bad" parents have "good" children, and all other combinations. Which means in truth who would decide something like that is practically irrelevant since it would not have the kind of bearing as we might like. Really what we would like is just to get rid of the people we deem to be undesireable, but then that gets into yet a whole other sticky situation... I mean everyone of us finds undesirable aspects to everyone else, and for different reasons. I don't have an answer, just attempt to look at it from as many perspectives as I get to. I mean look at China's policy of killing the newborns if they have more than what 1 or 2 kids. They'd probably do better to kill the fathers, it'd stop the breeding problem alot more quickly. But then again how many of us can really get behind either one of those kinds of suggestions. I know I don't, even though I make that comment about kililng the fathers.

I've read part of the Republic, and other writings of both Plato and Socrates. I prefered Heraclitus. In truth its been too long, and my recollection of them is minimal. I do recall liking the reading, it really got me thinking. Somethings I agreed with, others I didn't, and some of my opinions have changed in time, while others have remained the same. Same with Confuscious, and Lao Tzu, and numerous others, all around the globe, and throughout written history.

At this point I can say that I'd rather get rid of lawyers and politicians, instead of artists and musicians. But even they can have their benefit.

I believe one of Romes Caesars is qouted as saying something along the lines of "when philosophers are kings, and all kings philosophers, than peace is possible", and its something that for the most part I like. I'd like to add that all scientists should be artists, and all artists scientists, and while I'm at it so should everyone else, be artists, kings, philosophers, and scientists.

As far as differnt forms of government go... any of them could work if people worked better together, if people were somewhat more (dare I say it) conscious. All of them have fallen far short of the mark, because of people. My ideal is a combination of all of them, something like egalitarian, anarchic, utopia. (Ok now for a bit of being a wise-######, kind of) It'd be nice if people just offed themselves when they realized they were not working properly. But if we were that conscious and committed then I doubt there'd be that need.

One major problem I have is that there are too many attempts by people to make other people conform to our ideas. I grew up living in different countries, and I took from it that there are different ways of living life, none are "right" or "wrong", they all have their "pros" and "cons", and that everybody has some piece "figured out" that someone else is missing. Of course people are afraid of letting people have more freedom because they usually relate that to taking advantage of others. I.e. "If I let you do whatever you want, then you'll take from me" But the funny thing is, we all take from each other all the time already. That is part of the intra-action that is nature. It seems to me that there are lots of justifications and reasons, etc.. that people use, and in order to be able to use them they must blind themselves to what is really going on around us, because in truth what we are afraid of is happening in ways already. Its more a matter of taking a concept and then applying our judgements to it, adding something of our making to something we observe, and in so doing failing to recognize how processes are occuring. We get into that trap of "knowing" something, and being "right".

Alfa, you made some statement along that lines of only a few people are capable of knowing god, the universe, higher consciousness, the great spirit, the great mystery, the whole sort of general mish mash, allah, nirvana, brahman, or whatever you want to call it. I disagree. Everyone is CAPABLE, not everyone allows themselves, or makes an attempt.

And as far as what this existence is, how it works, and all the other questions of the ultimate answer... shit! Maybe we can know, maybe we can't. maybe it matters, maybe it does not, maybe everyone can have their own set of answers and still get along with everyone else, or not. I've spent most of my short life attempting to understand. I don't understand. Hell I have fewer ideas that I keep a hard belief in any longer. It seems that the more I learn and experience the more ideas I break down, and I have fewer certainties with which to replace them. I used to believe in physics. Funny that I believe less is physics now that I'm working on a degree in the subject. It's alot less of a "hard" science than everyone thinks, though it is certainly difficult.

ok , enough for now....

I pretty much agree. Actually, life is simple. Thing is we have this big quest to grasp everything with our intellect, which is limited.

Religion, as I see, is a quest for the quest's sake. "as the pilgrim who learns to transcend - learns to live as if the step was the aim" wrote Rush's drummer and lyricist Neil Peart on "Time Stand Still".

I am lucky enough to partake in a religion that makes use of Ayahuasca, a conscience expander.

And yes, the "hard science" are now aware that there's no "outside observer". Carthesian Paradigm is crumbling down.

But I came up with a hypothesis deemed to be ridicularized in scientifical circles:

Love as the 5th dimension. In R^5 all knots are undone, as I was once told.

And the ideal of each person having multiple knowledges is one I share. The segmented model we have now is another form of Labor Alienation, so that each will know a lot about one particular subject but nothing about the rest. That's the Industrial Revolution in Knowledge... For example, I dropped out of Engineering and started Geography, and I heard a lot of physical nonsense...

QUOTE(alfa @ Aug 3 2007, 03:16 AM)

Socrates, didn't know my book, the 97.73%. If the low level people ask you to drink it's up to you to follow the stupids's wish.

jccorreu,

yes, low level people have low level children.

Yes, are only few who knows God; it's Evolution, we evolve from low level to high level what's so complicated?

The ugly side: today the low level people are the huge majority; they slow down my evolution. The society doesn't care about it.

Interesting point of view...

The name for IT is:

FASCISM !!!

QUOTE(purehemp @ Aug 18 2007, 11:21 AM)

We are all animals. Denying it has been our greatest mistake, i.e. eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil; verbal communication, the tower of Babel...

Last time I was sent to a mental institution, I was proposing the fifth dimension, wich is LOVE, Original Eros, Holy Ghost, Prana or whatever...

I had heard from a friend of mine who's a mater-magician that in Knot Theory all knots are undone in R^5...

So I had the idea of a pentadiensional universe. I sent a letter to another math-friend with this and other lunacies, which he never received...

Now, this past july I was in Boston and was once again sent to the mental-health ward, in the Beth Israel Deaconess (part of Harvad Med .School - yes, I made it to the I.V. League...) and showed it to another patient, who told me that Stephen Hawkins was working on the Fifth Dimension...

I know most of you won't believe it, but I swear on whatever you find sacred that is True.