ShaunR

Ooooh. Excited again I'll be able to get my Twitter logger up and running once more Nice work. Just need to remove the ogk stuff

OK. So I think you are saying that frameworks are the key and there's no such thing as a dylib in isolation (at least as far as Labview is concerned). The problem I've come up against now is that I haven't been able to load ANY frameworks with Labview. Even those already installed with the Mac. I managed to find the SQLite framework (its under TCL). Couldn't load that, maybe because its is compiled with the TCL interface (usual "not a valid library" error). I'm not familiar with TCL so don't know if that's the issue or just the fact that I cannot load frameworks full stop. Bit of a newbies question. But......... I can create a bare-bones framework structure using Xcode. And I can create a dylib with Codeblocks. I can also get it to copy the dylib to the framework. But under what do I add it to? Resources? Target? The framework seems geared towards distribution of applications and any tutorials I am able to find all talk about how to link the executable to the framework All I need is a wrapper for the dylib to get Labview to load it. Like most things new to me. I tend to ask a lot of "silly" questions until I arrive at a "Eureka" moment when I am am able to visualise how everything fits together. At the moment I can see what I want. Have a some of the pieces needed to get to what I want, But don't know if I have all the pieces. Have the wrong pieces or Labvew is just being obstinate. Do you have an Xcode example of one that you made yourself using a dylib that Labview likes? I've attached the dylib I've created. Perhaps you could wrap it so I can see how it all fits together?

"removed source from VIs" I was getting all excited until I read that

+1 for "couldn't give a monkeys" about twitter

Indeed. For windows there were "unconfirmed" reports of the OS ignoring (on occasion) the fushfilebuffers. And on "old" linux systems the fsync was a NO-OP. Well. thats not the reason I don't use it. There was little performance gain from purely having an in-memory journal alone (mainly because I open and close on every query). A WAL has a better impact, but at the expense of select queries. A good quality hard-disk will guarantee that data held in cache will be flushed on a power failure or brown-out condition (50 ms is required for CE approval). Which is probably longer than a couple of disk revs. From then on its up to the OS to re-construct using the journal. I think the real risk is if the file-system doesn't have journalling and therefore can exit in the middle of a write operation.. I would be tempted to maintain 2 databases in this scenario (write to 2 one directly after the other). The probability that both would be corrupt (due to the reasons discussed previously) would be non-existent. And with the performance improvement of turning of Synch; you would still be in net profit. If you don't "clear bindings". then the statements will be re-used. this is one of the good reasons for using named statements as opposed to the question mark or an integer. I think that's more of a case that you have coded to use a feature (I'm not saying that that's a bad thing!). There are many ways to skin this squirrel, even without using a database. I have thought about using SQlite for preferences (and also things like MRU lists). But for most applications I don't see much of a benefit (based on the fact that DBs are designed for mass storage and retrieval). Perhaps in your specific case this is appropriate. But I don't think most people think of preferences when they think of a DB. I see it being used more for logging, look-up tables and data that has to be viewed in a number of ways....all of which SQLite excels at. Can you think of any other scenarios? Many thanks. I'll take a look.

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Something like this?

Don't have a definitive answer. But some things perhaps you could look at. Under the App properties there is a "source Control" sub menu that look interesting. Looks like a hook into the LV source control stuff (read/write config looks interesting) . Maybe you could find a way to make Labview Mercurial aware! A bit of a kludge. But you could monitor the revision number and action when it changes. As far as I'm aware, it is only up-issued after a save rather than a compile.

Theres one in the Examples Finder with LV2009 that uses the picture control. Wouldnt take much to mod it (there a "scale" vi )

He's LAVAs mascot

Hope your B'day was as good as Penrods

I too experienced " "You must enter a post" problem over the weekend (never before). I also experienced "Error 403 Access Denied" for quite a while (happened a couple of times) when trying to view any pages. Not sure if they are related. I just assumed someone was updating the site (nearly thought I had been banned )

Many thanks Chs. I too thought about using the pre-installed SQLite. But I'm not sure that I can guarantee that it will be 32 bit if the Mac starts in 64 bit mode. A wrapper is not a useful way forward as it requires upkeep of other code than Labview and would require a lot of work re-implementing an interface which is already there. A windows wrapper went this route and its limited because of this. From my limited reading of the "framework" implementation its a bit like a fat arch. So does that mean I can compile a 32 bit and 64 bit and include both in the framework? Does the pre-installed SQLite have both 32 bit and 64 bit and switch transparently? Do I really have to type in each and every function rather than select it from the LV combo-box? (And does that mean I select the ". framework" instead of the dylib?) There seems to be little information on the net for Mac developers. I will have a play with Xcode. I know its installed but not sure where to find it (doesn't show up under applications). I've only just learnt to use CodeBlocks so naively though it would just be a case of re-compiling for the Mac (its also available for the Mac)

I've had a quick perusal of the Mac framework link you provided (many thanks). Sheesh! What a pain. It looked initially like the best way forward would be to link into the SQLite framework that is shipped with the Mac. But as LV for the Mac is 32 bit; you cannot guarantee that the SQLite will be 32 bit. It looks like Mac users are going to have to wait for me to complete the learning curve if there are no LV Mac gurus around to offer guidance (no response so far from my question in the Mac section). Or maybe it's a sign that it isn't that important (and the API is not that useful to the few Mac users there are ) and divert my attention to other things.

fsynch is only used on unix-like OSs (read linux, Mac). Under windows "FlushFileBuffers" is used. It also states at the end of the paragraph that "These are hardware and/or operating system bugs that SQLite is unable to defend against. And again in Things that can go wrong section 9.4 it states: "Corrupt data might also be introduced into an SQLite database by bugs in the operating system or disk controller; especially bugs triggered by a power failure. There is nothing SQLite can do to defend against these kinds of problems." Where locking is "broken" (multiple simultaneous writes causing corruption) it seems to be referring to network file systems. In this scenario the websire states: "You are advised to avoid using SQLite on a network filesystem in the first place" The main issue seems to be cantered around old consumer grade IDE drives. I remember a long time ago reports about something like this. I haven't, however, read any articles about SATA drives having similar problems (much moe prevalent nowadays). But synchronous mode seems to be an attempt to "wait" a few disk revs in the hope that the data in the cache is finally written to a drive if its still in the drives internal write cache. (Still. Not a guarantee). And I think probably not relevant with many modern hard-disks and OSs (windows at least). Additionally. Putting SQLite (as a single subsystem) through our risk assessment procedure reveals a very low risk. My view is that if the data is really that important, then classical techniques should also be employed (frequent back-ups, UPS, redundancy etc). You can. You just compose them as a string and use the transaction Query". That is its purpose. Although in the "Speed example" it's only used for inserts. It can also be used for "Selects, updates, deletes etc". The API is split into 2 levels. 1. The top level (polymorphic) VIs which are designed as "fire-and-forget", easy DB manipulation, that can be placed anywhere in an application as a single module. 2. Low level VIs which have much of the commonly used functionality of SQLite to enable people to "roll-your-own". You can (for example) just open a DB and execute multiple inserts and queries before closing in exactly the same way as yours and other implementations do (this is what "query by ref" is for and is synonymous to the SQLite "exec" function).. In benchmarks I ran initially, there is little impact in opening and closing on each query (1-15 us). The predominant time is the collation of query results (for selects) and commit of inserts. But it gives the modularity and encapsulation I like (I don't like the open at the beginning of your app and close at the end methodology). But if that "floats-your-boat" you can still use the low level VIs instead. I did look at savepoints. But for the usage cases I foresee in most implementations; there is no difference between that and Begin / End transactions. OK you can nest Begin / End but why would you? Its on the road-map. But I haven't decided when it will be implemented. If yo can think of a "common" usage case then I will bring it higher up the list. See my comments above. Indeed. And I would guess "Temp" tables are also in memory. I don't think there's much in it.

Just save all. You will notice that it asks you to save the read/write vis (they have been created). Then the VIs will become visible.

I'm with Ton on this one Your example screen shot is actually starting at an "amplitude" of 60, not 60°. 90° would start at the peak of the waveform (cosine) so to start at 60° it would be much further up. For the other question. Just use the "change sign" function on the data and start at 180-degrees or -degrees depending on that your trying to achieve..

It's more to do with data loss than corruption. Don't forget, its not turning off journalling in SQLite. Its just returning as soon as the OS has the info (and therefore is present in the OSs journal). The worst that can happen (I believe) is that during a crash, changes to SQLites journal aren't transferred to the OSs journal therefore some piece of data might not be written to disk when restarted. On restart, the OS will ensure that incomplete transactions (file system transactions) are resolved. And when SQlite is started, it will ensure incomplete SQL transations are resolved. Additionally. I open and close the file on every query which automagically causes commits on every query which (in my mind) is safer. But I have made it an option so it's up to the user to decide. Nope.I'm using NTFS (write cacheing enabled). But something is different since (as you can see from the images) the insert time of the get_table is more in tune with inserts of my implementation when Synch is FULL (~200 ms). The only way I can get the same results as your benchmark is to use in-memory temp tables then I'm at the same insert times. What are the compilation options for your DLL? Yes. This I'm not sure about. Since I can also find little difference between an in-memory DB and a "temporary" DB. It doesn't state it, but what could be happening is that the journal and temporary tables are created in-memory when the db name is blank giving rise to similar performance to an in-memory DB.

Oops. Almost forgot this one. Your "get_table", SYNCH=OFF LV2009 x64 on Win 7 x64

That's cheating Thats like me getting 60 ms on LV2009 I want it all; The extra functionality and the speed (eventually) If you're talking about parallelising in terms of for loops across multiple processors. Then there's not much in it. A good choice of non-subroutine execution systems and subroutines yields better results. I'm not too happy about using the xnode (not keen on Xnode technology in its current form anyway). I will probably knock up a more raw version using moveblock since I don't need the polymorphism and who knows what other stuff locked away inside. I'm just using the Pragma command to switch synch. I've made it so a simple change in a project conditional statement means you can switch between them all. I don't think synchronisation is necessary on already journeled systems (e.g NTFS, and ext3). I think its more appropriate for FAT32 and other less robust file systems.So the shipped setting on the next release will be OFF. Here's some results from my latest incarnation showing the effect of the turning off synch.. I've switched to testing by averaging over 100 iterations since there is a bit of jitter due to file access at these sorts of times. You'll probably notice the difference between the average insert time and insert time from the last iteration. With Synch OFF they are much more in agreement. Synch=FULL. LV 2009 x64 on Win 7 X64 Synch=OFF. LV 2009 x64 on Win 7 X64 Your "get_table", SYNCH=FULL LV2009 x64 on Win 7 x64

I tend to update when only at the beginning of new projects AND only when a service pack has been released. But I don't see an update as being mutually exclusive to using previous versions.. Therefore I may have the latest version installed. Just not use it for production code. Quite often I will take a completed project and mass compile offline for the new version to see what issues pop-up (there are always some). I take it your not on an SSP? If not, then I would suggest pushing through for the budget and acquire a 2010 license. By the time it comes through, a service pack should be available (we're about due I think). So sorry I can't really answer your question fully since I've only "played" with 2010.I would suggest you obtain permission to install the evaluation of LV2010 on a machine and try compiling some known working projects so you can run them for a week or so to see what happens. That will shake the bushes enough for you to make your own mind up since we all use little tricks and workarounds that may or may not work between versions.

Impressive. I don't have a valid use for this, but it is obvious you have spent a lot of time on this product. Many thanks for sharing it with the Labview community.

Sweet. Nice work on that. I think perhaps blobs my be an issue with this as they are with straight text. But still, its definitely worth exploring further. You've shown me the way forward, so I will definitely be looking at this later. I'm not sure why you think its not much of an improvement. For select queries its. ~60% increase on mine and ~40% increase on yours (using your benchmark results) . I wouldn't expect much on inserts since no data is returned, therefore you don't have to iterate over the result rows. Incidentally. These VIs run faster on LV 2009 (for some reason). Your "get_table" example on LV64/32 2009 inserts at ~220ms and dumps at ~32 ms (averaged over 100 executions). On LV2010 I get roughly the same as you. Similarly, my 1.1 version inserts at 220 ms and dumps at 77 ms (averaged over 100 executions). Again. I get similar results to you in 2010. Of course. Dramatic insert improvement can be obtained by turning off synchronization. Then you are down to an insert speed of ~45ms. My next goal is to get it working on the Mac. I have a another release lined up and am just holding off so that I can include Mac also. So I will have a go with your suggestion, but it looks like a lot of work if you cannot simply select the lib. Do you know of a web-page (for newbies) that details the "Framework" directory details (e.g, why it needs to be like this. What its purpose is etc)?

Hi all. Not really a "Labview" question....but related. I've "zero" experience with Macs so apart from a huge learning curve, I'm getting bogged down with multiple tool chains and a severe lack of understanding of MAC (which I think is BSD based). I've released an API which currently supports windows (x32 and x64) and has been reported to work with Linux x32. These work because I'm able to compile dll and .so for those targets. I'd really like to include Mac in the list of support but am having difficulty compiling a shared library (dynlib?) that Labviewwill accept. I have set up a Mac OSX Leopard 1.5 virtual machine with labview and Code:Blocks.It all runs (very slowly) but I'm able to compile a shared library in both x32 and x64 (Well. I think I can at least.. The gcc compiler is using -m32 for the 32 bit and won't compile if I have the wrong targets). The trial version of Labview I downloaded I know is 32 bit (got that from conditional disable structure) and I think the Mac is 64 bit. So I have the tool-chains set up and can produce outputs which I name with a "dynlib" extension. However. No matter what compiler options I try, whenever I try to load a successful build using the labview library function (i.e. select it in the dialogue) it always says it's "Not a valid library". Does anyone know what the build requirements (compiler options, architecture, switches etc) are for a Mac shared library? There are a plethora of them and I'm really in the dark as to what is required (i386?, Intel?, AMD? all of the above?, -m32?, BUILD_DLL?, shared?) Any help would be appreciated.