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Everything posted by AlexA

  1. Ahhh, interesting! Thanks for that take on things. I'll think a little further about what's going on.
  2. This is getting a little abstract for me. To concretize the discussion a little, @smithd from what you say I'm visualizing something like: A wrapper (subVI) around TDMS files (for discussions sake) which internally looks like a message handler with messages for open/close/write. I assume it would be a re-entrant VI that you drop on the block diagram of anything that needs file IO and hook up internally. This is what I infer from your 1 file/qmh statement?
  3. That's my point I guess. Why manage a central repository of file references for streaming files from different modules when the OS can handle the scheduling better than I can anyway? Why not just let the individual modules open and close their own files as they require.
  4. Ok, thanks very much for the clarification. I guess my original question boils down to "how much can we lean on the OS file handling code for handling multiple streaming files?" I acknowledge your point about someone having to write the code. If the OS (windows) can be trusted to handle multiple open file handles; absorbing multiple streams of data gracefully, then it makes more sense to let people write their own file IO stuff local to their module. There's actually not much difference between completely letting the OS handle it, and what I'm currently doing. There's no effort to sche
  5. So you're saying if someone comes along with a new module and a new way of saving data, the standard way to interop is for them to implement their own File IO? The workflow for me adding something to your application is to roll my own file IO inside my module?
  6. Ok, I think I understand, what do you do if a new module someone is developing wants to use a core service in a different way? I.e. wants to save its data differently?
  7. Interesting, let me see if I understand you correctly as there are a number of implementation differences which I might get hung up on. You would copy and paste that File sub VI into every module that may want to do file IO. You access it using the named queues functionality, rather than maintaining queue references or anything like that. I note that the File IO is non-reentrant, what does this mean if there multiple "plugins" which have it on their block diagrams? Or are you proposing that each plugin has essentially their own version of that File IO subVI?
  8. Following with the idea of division of responsibility. I designed my application such that each individual process in charge of controlling and acquiring data from a specific piece of hardware would send its acquired data to another actor who maintained all file references (TDMS files) and was responsible for opening and closing files, as well as saving the data to disk. A consequence of this decision is that someone wanting to introduce a new piece of hardware + its corresponding control code must go further than just dropping a plugin that meets the communication contract into a director
  9. Hi guys, I've just started to play around with Haskell and learn about functional programming paradigms and I was wondering, as per title: Can a typical LV application be constructed along functional paradigms? Hypothetical application: 2 Analog Inputs and 2 Analog outputs connected to some process, some sort of controller, a UI for interacting with the controller, and file IO. I typically don't see functional paradigms applied to hardware control. I don't know if this is just something that people have avoided doing or whether there just hasn't been any interest. In any case, I'
  10. Lots of fantastic info, thanks guys! @Shoneill How does your proposed solution deal with the potential situation where the process (Signal Generator) is running remotely from the control software (UI). Over TCP or whatever. I can't see a graceful way of passing a UI type object around. If the UI is a part of the object, then you have a static dependency between the control UI (which contains the subpanel) and the process code don't you?
  11. Hmmm, what if the UI doesn't expose that choice unless the user selects the White Noise option?
  12. Hi guys, I thought I'd throw this out there to see if anyone has any opinions on a hypothetical (which cartoons my current situation). Say I have some process, implementing some functionality, for example: A signal generator which can generate triangles, sines, ramps and steps. Now I want the process to also generate band limited white noise. The problem is, the parameters to the generator don't accomodate the idea of a frequency cut-off. The ways I can see of dealing with this are: Extend the interface to include a frequency cut-off parameter (redundant for 90% of messages.
  13. Shaun I have to disagree, the standard Window's interaction is single click to sort, it's what's intuitive to most people so if the expectation isn't met I think it becomes a minor user gripe.
  14. Hi Ned, Thanks, you've eased my mind a bit. I think this was the discussion http://lavag.org/topic/16908-q-what-causes-unresponsive-fpga-elements-after-restart/ but after re-reading it, I think I read something into it that wasn't there. Or perhaps I'm misrecalling where or if I saw that piece of information. Either way, from what you say I'm not worried about it anymore. Cheers, Alex
  15. Hi Shaun, Thanks for all that info! Would it be correct to say the distinction between state machine with message injection and message drive action engine (AE) is how the actions map to commands. I.e., a message driven AE gets you an action with a strictly defined end point, in other words it's gauranteed to complete. Whereas, for state machine with message injection, a single message could just result in a different continuous state? A long time ago I looked at Actor Framework but there were so many layers of abstraction I found it impossible to get started, let alone port my cod
  16. Hi Shaun, Yeah that looks very much like what I use, but I base it around Daklu's LapDog queue based system. The question I'm asking is targetted at the scenario where the "module" loop is intended to act as an interface for some piece of hardware which has a continuous operating state (constantly filling some sort of buffer with data), but also other states like "setting control parameters" or "updating setpoints". Do you handle that sort of thing inside a timeout?
  17. Hey guys, It's been a long time since I've visited this topic but I thought I'd resurrect this rather than start a new one. I'm still uncertain about best practises. Specifically, what is the best way to control a parallel loop that has some "continuous" type behaviour, plus config, init, reinit, stop, etc? I've cartooned up a couple of the ways I'm aware of doing things (the notifier one I kind of made up, but it should work I think EDIT: the case should just read Default, not "False", Default). At the moment, I'm working with a bunch of FPGAs, and our standard approach is t
  18. Ok, with red face I must admit having discovered the real source of the problem. It was an unforseen race condition (of course) which was actually happening due to the computer moving faster than the hardware it was controlling. The hardware control process would enable the controller and then immediately check the FPGA status (a "control enabled?" indicator which depends on more than just the user's input), as the FPGA control loop only runs at 20kHz, I believe that the "control enabled?" indicator wasn't being updated before the check. Sorry for the run around!
  19. Not for User Events i.e. the ones which you fire by calling Generate Event with some data. Edit: I hunted extensively for such an option, and checking again, I can confirm it's not there. See attached screen shot
  20. So after much modification of code I've run into the following phenomenon. Even for relatively low data update rates (20 Hz, 4.8 kB/s) the front panel becomes unresponsive. Buttons are sometimes handled, sometimes not, sometimes they seem to be handled behind the scenes (control is enabled) but the boolean control in question remains in the false state. As I understand it, Dynamically registered events can not be configured such that the front panel remains unlocked while they're being handled? Am I correct? If so, this is a big caveat that I wish I'd been aware of before starting down
  21. Hey guys, The DVR choice was made a while ago due to resource constraints on the system. Specifically, I use the DVR with the "TDMS Advanced Asynchronous Write (Data Ref)" function. We've since moved to a bigger system but I'd obviously prefer to keep the execution tight if I can. The way that "Acquire Read Region" method works, you can configure the FIFO buffer size to be any multiple of your data chunk-size (for me, 1024 x 1024 U8 pixels). The method then iterates over the available buffer generating a new DVR for each chunk. This DVR must be destroyed so that chunk can be used again
  22. Good point, the DVR is generated by the "Acquire Read Region" method on a Target-to-host DMA FIFO from an FPGA. As I understand it, a new DVR is generated on each call to the method. This DVR must be destroyed so that the method can place data into that region the next time it cycles around to it. The thing is, I can't think of a way for this producer to elegantly destroy the DVR. The key being, when does it make the decision to destroy the reference? My thoughts are below: The producer can't destroy the DVR on the same cycle it generates it so it must store it to be destroyed later.
  23. Ok, further question: If I have a buttload of events, and I register them as a cluster, it doesn't seem to be possible to re-register specific elements of that cluster? Here's what I'm doing currently but it doesn't work: There's no way that I can see to make the Event Registration terminal accept a sub-element of a cluster. Attempting to re-register as I am in the picture will destroy the other event references in that cluster (as you would expect). Is this just not possible, or am I missing something obvious?
  24. @Hooovahh I've been thinking about this, and it's not obvious to me how pushing a DVR through an Event makes any sense. Specifically, if multiple processes subscribe to a DVR event, who is responsible for destroying the DVR? My specific use case is as follows: I have a process producing high speed image data via DVR. I have a UI which needs relatively slow updates (25-30 FPS, from Cam Data at 100 FPS+) I have a File IO process which needs to get all that data. To me, the File IO is the obvious place to delete the DVR as its the only process gauranteed to receive all the data (at lea
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