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  1. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Oh yeah, queue terminals do update. So inconsistent behavior.
  2. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Ohhhh I gotcha now. This I do see. I'd say this isn't a bug and is consistent behavior. Change the data type feeding into a string indicator and you get a broken wire instead of a new indicator. Type defs are the only thing that propagate updates so without a type def to update you would break data types to controls/indicators.
  3. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Making progress on the accessor! Just need to make the two templates now and script up the template editing.
  4. Several times I find myself having to copy the content of my post, refreshing the page, and pasting the post and submitting it again because the post won't submit initially. Not sure if there's some issue with how long I take writing a reply, or it's something with chrome where I'm going to other tabs and then coming back but pretty regularly, and on different PCs, I have to refresh the paste and redo the post for the submit button to actually work. Fun fact: I'm about to copy/paste this because it's doing it on this fresh topic as well.
  5. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Any chance you have an example of this? Not sure I've ever run into something like this before. I update typedefs all the time and haven't had my start async calls get boogered up. Though I do currently have NI pursuing a bug where a typedef isn't getting namespaced properly when compiling to a PPL and thus breaks all the calls once compiled because the static ref still specified SomeLib.lvlib:SomeClass.lvclass:SomeType.ctl instead of SomeLib.lvlibP:SomeClass.lvclass:SomeType.ctl which of course I can't recreate in dependent components. As long as I'm testing the uncompiled component with the static ref, everything updates as expected for me.
  6. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Francois, thanks for the elucidation! I don't use frameworks like AF so I haven't run into too much hierarchy bloat and I tend to compile lower level libraries into PPLs to be used by higher levels; I'm thinking that limits how much LabVIEW can check for during type propagation since I only have one editable component open at one point. Since I'm doing ByRef I often do have to break type safety and store some relationships as base objects and then always cast them when pulling them out of the DVR for use (since you can't have a DVR reference another DVR that references the first) so this may also cause a similar optimization. IE: a server keeping a list of open connections and those connections keeping a reference to their originating server.
  7. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    Still unsure why this is a thing though. Duck typing? Union like tricks? Seems like this should be used in very specialized instances and not to transport data around. Even in C++ pointers have type and this completely erases type safety.
  8. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    I could convert this to a Tools item. Make it an either/or. I definitely like the ability to interact with the item itself. I've come back to this first paragraph several times to take out reasons why I'm less favorable to the tools menu; maybe that'll be next week's side project. What I am avoiding is conditional menus based on current state of an item; you use it right or you don't. The actions to check compatibility but it's after you select it and not while you're waiting to see if LabVIEW is going to render the popup menu correctly. I was toying with the idea of storing state in the class (user tags) or assessing the state but I'd like to maintain portability (no deps or conditional/extra class state) and everything in native LabVIEW. The tools menu does seem to be context sensitive based on project selection but that feels like a weak link to me. I think if I did a tools menu entry I'd want a UI to confirm class selection, and then I might was well make different actions available from that UI, and then suddenly GOOP or AF. I'm avoiding DVR wrapped classes (versus my DVR wrapped in a class) because unless I'm missing something... dynamic dispatch doesn't work with that mechanism. I'd much rather either continue doing this manually or create some tooling to significantly cut down on the bootstrapping effort.
  9. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    I'm curious on the effort done to cast DVRs back and forth between an int.Googling doesn't seem to bring anything up so I'm curious how this became a thing and what benefits it provides? Does it stop LabVIEW from doing some tricky thing with DVRS? Does it make the scripting simpler?
  10. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    That DAQmx template is slick. Definitely not a state machine and definitely already handles some of the features I was thinking of like templating asynchronous background tasks.
  11. UnlikelyNomad

    Secondary Project Provider for ByRef Architecture Scaffolding

    I rarely use state machines in my applications so I've never been inclined to look into that. After seeing that readme I'm definitely going to take a look at it and see what all it does though. [Mass compiling now in VIPM] I suffer from being very picky in my ability to be flexible and tend to avoid [heavier] frameworks when I can. The main idea of this is that it isn't a framework; it is IDE tooling to more easily develop ByRef designs
  12. INB4 Demo Video: YubTub Linky Monday of this week I finally saw NI's Center of Excellence and after not being at NIWeek for a few years I was blown away at how far the technical sessions have come. I saw the LV Hooks presentation and of course had to try getting back into the rusty nails that I started trying to play with a year ago. I previously tried creating XNodes that could replace getters and setters for data hidden behind DVRs however I hit a road black when trying to access DVRs that were private to a class. I have finally gotten around to implementing my next approach, and it works! This is the first of a set of features to help me speed up development when I'm creating ByRef classes. My ByRef architecture involves creating a DVR and usually having that be the only data member of the class private data cluster. This allows me to branch the class wire while still accessing the same DVR contents in multiple locations. This allows me to avoid having to use additional frameworks and patterns like QMH or AF to easily support parallel tasks. This design lets you choose between synchronous and asynchronous actions and most importantly: inheritance and dynamic dispatch are still fully supported! Want to use a queue? Do it! Want to use a bool to shutdown a background loop? Sure thing! Want to use events! Go right ahead! Want to mix ByRef and ByValue classes? Okay! I know there are already project provides that try to automate some ByRef implementation details however I don't like the idea of functionality being hidden in some "core" and wanting to do something slightly differently this time. The basic idea of everything that will come of this provider is that it automates creating the VIs you would use directly, and only those VIs. Everything is visible and available and you can use the provider to scaffold the common starting points and then move on from there. I'm curious what y'all think! Does anyone do similar ByRef designs? Anyone have ideas or suggestions? Once I get the DVR member accessor scripting implemented I'll uploading this to GitHub for public critique consumption.
  13. UnlikelyNomad

    DereferenceByName Xnode ( -> operator in C)

    I was testing a buffer I wrote for an application some months ago and pushed nearly 2 gigs of data into it 200 rows at a time and then read back the row count. LabVIEW's memory never went above 350megs. Definitely tricky to benchmark in LabVIEW sometimes. LabVIEW is great because it does a lot of stuff for you. LabVIEW sucks because it does a lot of stuff for you.
  14. UnlikelyNomad

    DereferenceByName Xnode ( -> operator in C)

    Was the compiler smart enough that it never put the string into the cluster in the first place? /snicker
  15. UnlikelyNomad

    Obtain Class default type from variant

    And here is what the relevant bit of "solved" code looks like. The VI.OwningApp property was the key that I had glanced over and allows opening items from memory by name from the project, which aren't available from the NI.LV.XNode context.
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