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I do pull the OOD for everything. I do NOT pull the OOP. That's the huge mistake that JAVA makes. When planning out a program, being able to say what object each piece of data is associated with gives you an organizational power that I haven't found anywhere else. And once you're done with the planning, you look at the plan and say, "It would be ridiculous to build an entire class for this concept, so I'm not going to do it and just write a function for that thing." Having said that, it does many programmers good to spend some time operating in the world where "you will only have functions that are members of classes." That whole "everything has a place" aspect of JAVA is actually a really valuable perspective, and in my experience, code written in any language from programmers who have spent time in JAVA is cleaner than code written in any language by programmers who have only used free spirit languages like C++ or LabVIEW. The other language that provides a needed discipline is LISP. I'd fully support any CS program that said "all freshmen will write in JAVA and LISP, alternating each week, and only then do we put the less-regimented languages in your hands." Unfortunately, most schools only do the JAVA part. And they never get around to handing the students LabVIEW. *sigh* No, 2012 is not a cut point, just the latest version at the time. We aim to maintain it as long as is practical, and we have at this point maintained backward load support longer than at any other time in LV's history, so far as I can tell. I suspect the current load support will go for quite some time because there's not really a problematic older feature that all of use in R&D want to stop supporting.