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  1. We could allocate/resize the array but it is highly complicated. There are two basic possibilities: 1) Using NumericArrayResize() is possible but you need to calculate the byte size yourself. With complex datatypes (clusters) the actual byte size can depend on the bitness of your compilation and contain extra alignment (filler) bytes for non Windows 32-bit compilation. Really gets complicated, but the advantage is that it is at least documented. 2) There is an undocumented SetArraySize() function. It can work for arbitrary array elements including clusters and accounts for the platform specific alignment but is tricky since the datatype description for the array element is a LabVIEW type-descriptor. To get that right is pretty much as complicated as trying to calculate the array element size yourself and as it is undocumented you risk that something might suddenly change. The declaration for that function is: TH_REENTRANT MgErr _FUNCC SetArraySize(int16 **tdp, int32 off, int32 dims, UHandle *p, int32 size); tdp is the 16-bit LabVIEW type descriptor for the array element data type. This is basically the same thing that you get from Flatten Variant but you want to normally make sure that it does not contain any element labels as it does not need them and only makes the parsing slower. off is usually 0 as it allows to specify an offset into a more complex tdp array. The other parameters are exactly the same as for NumericArrayResize(). In fact NumericArrayResize() is a thin wrapper around this function that uses predefined tdp's depending on the first parameter of it.
  2. You consequently have hidden the actual type number of your sbRIO in your pictures. I think I can see in one place a 963x but it is not sure. And most 963x except the 37 and 38 are VxWorks based and as such LabVIEW 2019 is the latest to support that. It also requires you do install CompactRIO software not later than 19.6. The 9637 is supported since LabVIEW 2015 and CompactRIO 15.5, but the 9638 requires at least LabVIEW 2019 and CompactRIO 19.5.
  3. It should. The Report Generation Toolkit VIs are either built in (HTML Report) or access the according Word or Excel Active X component. However the Office ActiveX component is version sensitive. LabVIEW uses dynamic dispatch to access these interfaces, but uses early binding for that. It means it determines the actual method IDs to call at compile time rather than at runtime based on the method name. This has as consequences that the calling is slightly faster but any version difference in the ActiveX interface leads the LabVIEW method call into the abyss. So your Office installation on the target machine has to use the same version as what was used on the machine on which you build the application. The change to use late binding would have been fairly trivial for anyone having access to the LabVIEW source code, but alas was never considered a strong enough issue to let a developer spend a few hours on it. If I would have had to do it I would probably have left the early binding option in there and added an extra retry to try late binding at runtime if the initial methodID call would fail. Or even fancier, let the ActiveX method call have a menu option to select if it should do early binding, late binding or a combination of both with retry if the early bind call initially fails.
  4. Pretty simple except if you need to resize the array in the C code. You can let LabVIEW create the necessary code for the function prototype and any datatypes. Create a VI with a Call Library Node, create all the parameters you want and configure their types. For parameters where you want to have LabVIEW datatypes passed to the C code, choose Adapt to Type. Then right click on the Call Library Node and select "Create C code". Select where to save the resulting file and voila. This would then look something like this: /* Call Library source file */ #include "extcode.h" #include "lv_prolog.h" /* Typedefs */ typedef struct { LStrHandle key; int32_t dataType; LStrHandle value; } TD2; typedef struct { int32_t dimSize; TD2 Cluster elt[1]; } TD1; typedef TD1 **TD1Hdl; #include "lv_epilog.h" void ReadData(uintptr_t connection, TD1Hdl data); void ReadData(uintptr_t connection, TD1Hdl data) { /* Insert code here */ } Personally I do not like the generic datatype names and I always rename them in a way like this: /* Call Library source file */ #include "extcode.h" #include "lv_prolog.h" /* Typedefs */ typedef struct { LStrHandle key; int32_t dataType; LStrHandle value; } KeyValuePairRec; typedef struct { int32_t dimSize; KeyValuePairRec elt[1]; } KeyValuePairArr; typedef KeyValuePairArr **KeyValuePairArrHdl; #include "lv_epilog.h" void ReadData(uintptr_t connection, KeyValuePairArrHdl data); void ReadData(uintptr_t connection, KeyValuePairArrHdl data) { int32_t i = 0; KeyValuePairRec *p = (*data)->elt; for (; i < (*data)->dimSize; i++, p++) { p->key; p->dataType; p->value; } }
  5. Well this is one hell of an API to tackle. amqp_bytes_t seems to be actually a struct similar to a LabVIEW handle contents, with a size_t element indicating how many bytes the following pointer points at. That in itself is already nasty if you want to support both 32-bit and 64-bit LabVIEW, since size_t is a pointer sized unsigned integer and the pointer after is of course pointer sized too! Then you have the amqp_field_value_t which in principle is a library specific Variant. Basically you want to have an element that consist of a binary string based key value and a variant, except that the Variant manager API in LabVIEW while present is basically undocumented. Well it's not totally undocumented since the NI developers let slip through a header file in the GPU Toolkit download that actually declares quite some of the actual functions. Of course there is the problem that function declarations are hardly any real documentation. It only gives the function signature but doesn't explain anything about how the functions would need to be used. So there is in fact a lot of trial and error here and the realistically present danger, that the Variant datatype and its related functions are subject to change at the simple whim of any LabVIEW developer since the fact that it is not officially documented makes the API "subject to change" at any time, for any reason including simply the desire to change it. The only reason not to do so is that existing NI libraries such as the OPC UA Toolkit, which makes internally use of that API, would also need to be reviewed and changed in order to not crash with a new LabVIEW version. Since NI has a bit of a habit to release LabVIEW version synchronized Toolkits (albeit sometimes with a year long delay or an entire version even missing) this is however not an impossible limitation as it not only would limit the documented version compatibility but also be a technical limitation to help prevent version incompatible Toolkit installations. Even if you would use LabVIEW variants as value of the key value pair, you would need to do some binary translation since a LabVIEW variant is not the same as your amqp_field_value_t variant. Personally I would likely use a cluster with a LabVIEW string as key element and a flattened string of the binary data with extra integer for datatype indication. Then in the C code do a translation of these elements to the amqp_bytes_t and amqp_field_value_t data elements. If you allow for a simple 1 to 1 mapping of the field_value element, things could be fairly straightforward. Something like this: struct { LStrHandle key; LStrHandle value; // really the flattened binary data int32 datatype; // native LabVIEW datatype, could get rather nasty if you want to support complex // datatypes and not just scalars and a string as you would need to allow for a // hierarchical datatype description such as the i16 typedef array of LabVIEW itself } KeyValueRec; If you use a native LabVIEW Variant it would instead look like: struct { LStrHandle key; LvVariantPtr value; // Native LabVIEW variant } KeyValueRec; But as mentioned the API to actually access LvVariant from C code is completely undocumented.
  6. VxWorks is quite special. It looks on many fronts like a Posix platform, but that is only a thin and not complete layer above the lower level and very specialized APIs. Programming to that lower level interface is sometimes required for specific operations but documentation was only available as part of the very expensive developer platform with according compiler. It's of academic interest now since VxWorks has been deprioritized by WindRiver in favor of their own Linux based RT platform. And NI has long ago stopped using it and never made the move to anything beyond 6.3 of the OS. It was anyhow only intended for the PowerPC hardware since they moved to that platform as power efficient embedded targets were not really an option on x86 based hardware at that time. But with the PowerPC loosing pretty much all markets, it was a dead end (at some point in time it was the most used embedded CPU solution, many printers and other devices, where users never ever saw anything of the internal hardware, were running on PowerPC). It was hard to port any reasonably sized code to VxWorks because of the higher level APIs often being very similar to other Posix platforms like Linux, but not always working exactly that way or not providing certain functionality on that level. Accessing the lower level API was very difficult because of the very limited documentation about it that could be found without investing an arm and a leg into the developer platform from WindRiver. But once that porting was done there was fairly little maintenance required both because the API stayed fairly consistent and NI didn't move to a different version (except VxWorks 6.1 to 6.3 between LabVIEW 8.2 and 8.5).
  7. Unfortunately, Apple manages to almost consistently break backwards compatibility with earlier versions for anything but the most basic "Hello World" application. And yes that is only a mild exaggeration of the current state of affairs. For an application like LabVIEW there is almost no hope to be compatible over multiple OS versions without some tweaks. Partly this is caused by legacy code in LabVIEW that uses OS functions in a way that Apple has declared depreciated versions ago, partly it is simply because that is considered quite normal among Apple application developers. For someone used to program to the Windows API, this situation is nothing short of mind boggling.
  8. It seems they are going to make normal ordering of perpetual licenses possible again. While the official stance was that the perpetual licenses were gone, the reality was that you could still order them but you had to be VERY insisting, and have some luck to know the right local NI sales person, to be able to order them. That will of course not help with a current Macintosh version of LabVIEW. Still, maybe some powers to be might decide that reviving that is also an option. Kind of doubt it as I have experience with trying to support Mac versions of LabVIEW toolkits that contain external compiled components and the experience is nothing short of "dramatic". But if there would be a client teasing NI convincingly about ordering a few thousand seats of LabVIEW if there was a Mac version available, I'm sure they would think very hard about that. 😁
  9. It's Open Source (on SourceForge) and I started developping it more than 25 years ago. There never was any license involved but yes at that time Python 2.2 or thereabout was the actual version. I did some updates to also make it work in 2.3 and 2.5 and minor attempts to support 2.7 but had at that time lost interest in tinkering with it as I was getting more involved with Lua for LabVIEW and two scripting solutions next to each other seemed a bit excessive to work with. The shared library necessary to interface Python with LabVIEW definitely won't work out of the box with Python 3. There were simply to many changes with Python 3 to the internals as well as datatype system that that could work without some changes to the shared library interface code (the change to Unicode strings instead of ASCII is only one of them, but quite far reaching one). Also there is absolutely no support present for Python environments such as offered by Anaconda and the like. The main reason for starting with LabPython was actually that I had been trying to reverse engineer the script host interface that LabVIEW had introduced to interface to HiQ, and later Matlab. When searching for an existing scripting language that had an embedding interface to integrate into other applications to use as a test case, I came across a project called Python, that was still somewhat obscure at that time. I didn't particularly like Python, and that its inventor Guido van Rossum was actually Dutch did not affect my choice. And when reaching out to the Python community about how to embed Python in another application, I was frankly told that while there was an embedding API available in Python, there was little to no interest in supporting that and I was pretty much on my own trying to use that. It still seemed the most promising option as it was Open Source and had actually a real embedding API. I did not even come across Lua at that time, although before version 5.0 Lua had anyways fairly limited capabilities to integrate it in other applications. So I developed a Python script server for that interface to allow integration of Python, and even got help from someone from inside NI who was so friendly to give me the function prototype declarations that such an interface needed to support in order for LabVIEW to recognize the server and not crash when trying to load it. After it was done and started to work, I was less than thrilled by the fact that the script was actually a compile time resource, so could not be altered by the user of a LabVIEW application but only by its developer. As more of an afterthought, I added a programmatic interface to the already existing shared library and the main functionality of LabPython was born. As those old LabVIEW script nodes have been depreciated several years ago by NI, it would be definitely not a wise choice to try to build anything new based on that tech. Not even sure if LabVIEW 2023 and newer even would allow LabPython to be loaded as a script server. But its programmatic interface should be still usable, although for quite a few reasons not with Python 3 without some serious tinkering in the C code of the shared library interface.
  10. Duplicate post from here: https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/Read-from-INI-file-to-application-cluster/td-p/4369322
  11. I am actually working on it but it is a bit more involved than I had anticipated at first. There is a certain impedance mismatch between what a library like open62541 offers as interface, and what LabVIEW needs to be able to properly interface to. I can currently connect to a server and query the available nodes, but querying the node values is quite a bit of work to adapt the strict LabVIEW type system to a more dynamic data type interface like what OPC UA offers. More advanced things like publish-subscribe are an even more involved thing to solve in a LabVIEW friendly way. And I haven't even started interfacing to the server side of of the library!
  12. That's it! It didn't work for our use case as it can't really work around the issues of LabVIEW being unable to support two different platforms at the same time being loaded. As such it had not really significant advantages to the MGI Solution Builder in the way we had started using it.
  13. Not sure about 2011 to be honest, but no you do not have to have all dependencies included in a PPL. You can have a PPL depend on other PPLs and configure the build to exclude that dependency from you PPL build, so that it remains external. This has of course to be down from bottom up, which is quite a work. Only PPL dependencies and other binary dependencies can be excluded from being pulled into a PPL. So if you want code that has to be shared between your PPL and other PPLs or your exe, that code needs to be in its own PPL, so each of those can refer to it. Yes it is not trivial and you need to plan before you start programming. You need to have a clear hierarchy overview and be able to cleanly modularize your code into different PPLs. Tools like the MGI Solution Builder definitely help with that as you can script the creation of a whole hierarchy of PPLs to be compiled in the correct order. Someone from NI was busy creating another solution that could build PPLs and in the process of building them also relink any dependencies on lvlib's into dependencies of lvlibp's but that didn't quite finish.
  14. Well, basically your program does never read anything from the serial port so your sending anything like *IDN? to it is totally superfluous and even wrong. As soon as it starts up it starts to spew a line of text every 500 ms, no matter if there is anyone listening or not. Basically, you want to startup your LabVIEW program - initialize the serial port with the correct parameters, leaving the Enable Termination character on as you now do - do one read of at least 100 bytes or more, possibly even multiple times to make sure the serial port input buffer is cleaned from any partial or old data - do NOT send anything to the device - then do a VISA Read with something like 100 bytes at least, every 500 ms, DO NOT USE Bytes at Serial port!!!!!!! You should see a string like "Temperature: <number> °C | Humidity: <number> % | Air Quality: <number>". The degree sign ° and the pipe symbol | might however pose a problem. No sure what locale your Arduino device uses, but it may not be the same as your Windows computer uses and then those characters will not match with what you expect.
  15. There are several alternatives for the NI GPU Toolkit that are considerably more up to date and actually still maintained. https://www.ngene.co/gpu-toolkit-for-labview https://www.g2cpu.com/
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