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I am also a CLA who works for an NI Alliance Partner. [Rant = On] I persoanlly do not like certifications (or anything that is acquired through the grading of an exam). Unfortunately they (like university degrees) are a fact of the world in which we live. When the people that have to make decisions where they have to choose between two options (people, companies, etc) regarding something in which they are not an expert, they will often use certifications as a way of distinguishing bewteen the two. In my opinion this is a "cop-out" and used used for justifying a descision that can not be justified otherwise. Here is a self-deprecating example to make my point. The last time I checked, one of the worlds top LV developers who's initials are RK is not a CLA. If my boss came to me with his resume and someone with a resume identicle to mine, I would advise him to interview RK. [Rant = Off] So untill the world does away with the obsurd notion that people can be evaluated using tests, certifications are an evil we will have to "confront or die". So I agree with what I think you are saying but urge to get the certification just for sake of employment. Attempting pragmatism, Ben

Thank you for the update Quintin! Ben

I'm glad you caught my point! There is a fine line that seperates the proper and improper application of Godwin's Law. What I wrote (I thought) was wrong and was expecting to be corrected (eventually). Reference to the historic event and the group responsible is not a call for Godwin but where to draw the line exactly... Thanks for paying attention Dirk! :thumbup: And just for the record, I have only heard about "Godwin's Law" recently, once on Alfa once on me. I am not complaining about it happening to me, but Alfa was on to a "thing" that was starting to get interesting. I am still curious how it is applied. Ben

very interesting thought! So if we drank enough beer fast enough could we abosrb so much light that it no longer reflects and we just appear to be a shadow or a type of "walking black hole"? There may be some truth in this. From my personal observations, it appears that the enlightenment derived from a conversation seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of BEER consumed. Another is that bars (in the US) are generally rather dark and get darker as the night goes on. I had thought this was due to a lack of lighting sources, and never stoped to concider that the light may be getting consumed. Ben

I think it is quite high. Probably higher than some of us want to admit. In my case I have been tested and as such qualify under the "Americans with Disabilities Act". My research into the matter is good and bad. As of the last I checked there was absolutely nothing anyone can do to help. I believe Dyslexia to be quite common amoung scientists and engineers. Although society applies a stigma to the condition being labeled "learning disabled" is a very hard pill to swallow. Those that do have that condition will often develop coping techniques and can quite often mask the effect. Its not all bad though! I can read upside-down in a mirror as well as I can the normal way. But your observation re:LV and dyslexia! That is one of the big reasons I LOVE LabVIEW. After working in those "other" languages and being frustrated not being able to SEE spelling errors that threw off my syntax, LV was a "Gift from God" delivered by way of Jeff K. Re: Your duaghter Encourage her. Help her to ow to recognize when she has to be careful. Help her develop compensating techniques (i.e using your finger to read is OK!) Also help her figure out what extra gify God gave her to compensate and help her exploit it. So to close for now let me speak for my fellow dyslexics by saying "We ain't dumb, we are just different." Ben BTW: AE was possibly dislexic and that is why he had trouble with math in the 4th grade. OK, I was probably a little to serious in my last posting. Let me try to lighten it up a little. BEER Any thoughts on that subject? Ben

No do not like it. My dislexic brain reads that as "Beer wal" which is close to "Beer Hall" as in Beer Hall uprising.... :laugh: So I again I vote for "Kring's Law". Ben

I vote for "Kring's Law". But are these two laws really the recipricol of each other? Example: "This reminds of a time when I was drinking beer with a Nazi...." Which of the two rules apply here? Ben

Gret ideas! Just think of the "kids" seeing LV -3d side by side with one of those "other" languages. Which one do you think they would prefer? Ben

Download File:post-29-1145195167.llb In an attempt to get this thread back on theme again... Attached is a llb that works with teh LV 3d PICTURE control toolkit to develop that image I posted earlier. Copy of Simple 3D Object5 will give you a spiral in 3-space. "Copy of Simple 3D Object6" will give you the distribution of cubes. I found the axis very helpful in figuring out what I was doing. The rest is just offered as fodder for doing 3d rederings of code. Ben Yes the code is a mess. That is how my experimental code looks when when I am done playing. So I walked away from my previous posting thinking "3d diagrams are a waste of time. LabVIEW already keeps track of layers of objects in a diagram." But then I thought "What about Cases structures, Stacked sequences and shift registers?" I can see value in being able to see every case of a case structure. I coudl envision tunnels feeding cases as bus bars connecting the "planes" of the events. Sequence locals could almost make senses! A 3d diagram may be a better idea than I first thought. Ben

i was afraid of that answer. :headbang: Ben

Well seeing that we already have a winner and this thread is not closed YET, let me ask.... If I understand it is always good to talk about beer and it is always bad to talk about people who once were identified by a four letter word that starts with "N", Then aren't we playing the game just the way the some bad people would want us to behave, not talking about the errors of history and quietly inebrating ourselves and calling that "good"? Confused, Ben

We have a spy (not actually a spy but a LV Champion) headed that way latter this month! Ed Dickens is headed down this month. We could ask him to look into this. I'll post a suggestion to him in the Champions Forum. That does not mean we will get an answer we can share in public... But then again it may be better not knowing! Ben

I can relate. I am completely deaf in one ear nad have nevered experienced "stereo". I can only imagine based on what I see. Re: this discussion in general 1st Thanks Irene for getting this started. Its about time we started talking about this. 2nd I suspect there is someone developing something along this line. That is why I think is good for us to talk about this now in public. There is no better time to express your desires for a new version of software than before it is announced. So.... Will special "pointing devlices" be required? Zooming seems like it will be required from day 1. If you stop and think about it, LV diagrams are already 3-d, you just can't change your viewing angle. What do you think? Ben

Format/s c: There is spyware out there on those "free" sites that will load up stuff that automatically "fixes" your home page sttings and stuff. I use "Spy Sweeper" from Webroot because they had a free trail offer going. It fixed up my PC and has kept it very boring. But then again... I was the one who didn't know enough to post an image of my muppet. Ben

At the risk of sounding crazier than normal... We technically have all the tools we need to write this. That image was done with the LV 3-d picture control tool-kit. I have already done custom skins for the objects. If a GUI interface was developed for it and coupled with scripting... I'd love to see Darren write a "3-d VI Analyzer" to detect wires passing THROUGH objects. Yes, we would have to keep these things well structured. Ben

A well written VI in 3-d would be an absolute must! Imagine trying to debug code that looks like this but with wires everywhere. Yeeeeaache. Ben

Yes, I'd be looking at using the picture control to help this out. I'd use the picture control to display your widgets and rotate the image as required. Christian example will show you how to rotate images. You'll have to trachk the position of interesting points within the image so you know where the lines should be drawn. Mouse down events on the picture could trigger making an off-screen control visable and postion it over the picture control. You may want to concider using complex notation to track your widget postitions as well as the X-controls that you position over the picture control. It may make you math easier. If you can specify a max number of "floatin controls" then have enough off-screen controls to allow all to be shown. If you can not specify a mix number, then only use the ""floaters" when the user is interacting with the control. Once they click outside it, do a "invoke node >>> Get Image" (NOTE: This technique was originall suggested by Jean-Pierre Drolet on the NI Dev-Exchange were he received 5 5-star ratings for that idea!) and insert the image of the control in the picture where the control had been. Hide the control until the user clicks and makes another active. I used a variation on this technique in my model railroad. Since I did not want to have to re-write my code when my buddy decided to change the layout, I wrote it to draw the track plan based a configuration file. Foe each part of the layout, I had to provide different options. When an operator clicked on a track segment, an off-screen ring was populated with a list of options and then positioned over the picture control at the location the user clicked. They can then make the appropriate selection and the the ring was hidden and put away until next time. So how does that sound to you? As you work through this, pleas share some demo's of your results. That is how we managed to build that list in the first place. Ben

Ditto that! Ben

Hi Shinni, Yen gave you a good link to get started with the picture control. I do have to admit that solutions that require the picture control are not for the tame of heart. They do "let you break all of the rules" in LV. Rather than list everything that I have done with it in the hopes that one will be close to what you want, could you post some images so we can visualize what you are attempting? We may be able to help you develop something by harnessing the "wistles and bells" built into the other LV objects. Ben

Hi Alfa, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us. Here is a quote by AE you may like. "Great spirits have always encountered violent oposition from mediocre minds." Some day I'll share my theory that gravity can actuall travel faster than the speed of light. Unfortunately, I'd have to destroy a planet to prove it. Ben

Well I can't say I knew about that rule! Does it apply to Premium Members as well? Ben

Not to justify my reaction but to explain it... Within the last year or so I completed reading Shirer's (sp?) The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech (sp?). I read it because I took to heart what I think Benjamin Franklin siad "Those who fail to study history or doomed to repeat it" (or was that "We can only peer into the future by standing on the shoulders of the past." Whatever!). I came away from that study with the leason "The US did NOT defeat the Nazi's (actually it was Rusia, and the US was just a diversion) the US became the Nazi's" I had also decided to become a Premium LAVA member and start participating here after being censored one too many time on the "other forum". So I am paranoid. It will be the scientist and engineers of our age that will be the first to be shut down. We (the scientist/engineers) have filled the niche that had previously been occupied by the "priestly class". Just stop and think about what is "good" or "bad" to eat. In the US it is the scientist and engineers tha decide what is "good" food and what is "bad". As such we (the engineers and scientists) have a unique power that is not weilded by others. The US tried to outlaw alcohol and that failed, but just try to find a nice bag of "Pork Rinds" or Wonder bread. So from my paranoid point of view, it is only a matter of time before we WILL be shutdown. So... When I read the orignal "joke" it not so much a shock, but a signal that history is indeed repeating itself. Ben

Add me to list of people who take this stuff too seriously. I red the thread before Mr Guy posted and reacted in the only manner that seemed prudent at that time. I down loaded the entire contents of the scrting forum! Ben

My results show that I know nothing about HTML and how to get my results to show up in this thread! <table width=350 align=center border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr><td bgcolor="#CCCCCC" align=center> <font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" style='color:black; font-size: 14pt;'> <strong>You Are Dr. Bunsen Honeydew</strong> </font></td></tr> <tr><td bgcolor="#DDDDDD"> <center><img src="http://images.blogthings.com/themuppetpersonalitytest/bunsen.jpg" height="100" width="100"></center> <font color="#000000"> You take the title "mad scientist" to the extreme -with very scary things coming out of your lab.<br /> And you've invented some pretty cool things, from a banana sharpener to a robot politician.<br /> But while you're busy turning gold into cottage cheese, you need to watch out for poor little Beaker!<br /> "Oh, that's very naughty, Beaker! Now you eat these paper clips this minute." </font></td></tr></table> <div align="center"><a href="http://www.blogthings.com/themuppetpersonalitytest/">The Muppet Personality Test</a></div> Ben Edited by Ben **LAVA Edit** Ben, I fixed it for you...

Hi Chris, I managed to get an official answer to my question re:which thread does a global READ occur in? The official answer is.... " Ok, the official word is that local and global variable reads do NOT cause a thread swap to the user interface thread. " See reply #29 in this thread http://forums.ni.com/ni/board/message?boar...76661&jump=true on the NI Dev-Exchange. This contrary to what I had thought. Ben