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At my engineering college, which takes 4.5-5 years, an electrical engineer is only required to have one course on programming, and it's Java; yeah we're kinda weird like that. My college also has LabVIEW in some of the labs, but it's version 6.1 and it takes some getting used to if you've never used that version. I totally agree about older versions of LabVIEW, they should be free. I'm sure NI would find it difficult to support all these free users but it probably would drive up business. But how far back should be free? 6.1? 7.0? 7.1? 8.0? or 8.20? I don't think the LV runtime will be built into any OS soon, but NI should at least support a non installed runtime for LabVIEW executables. That trick with putting the right dlls in the right directories worked for older version of LabVIEW, but don't work with 8.0 and newer.

In Java2 I had to write a program similar to this with the prime numbers and I did it the same way Justin suggested. As for how many 1's, or 2's or 3's are rolled, there is an OpenG sub-VI in the array tools which is search array, and it will return the indices in an array form. You could search the array for "1" and the size of the array of indices out is the number of 1's that are in the array. (I hope this is easily understandable)

I guess the answer is, it depends on who you ask. Just like when asked what "Pi" is. Mathematician: Pi is the number expressing the relationship between the circumference of a circle and its diameter. Physicist: Pi is 3.1415927plus or minus 0.000000005 Engineer: Pi is about 3, but I'd use 4 just to be safe. Betty Crocker: Pi is what you poke holes in with a fork and then leave on the window sill to cool off. Business Man: Pi is desert is it not? Computer Programmer: Pi is 3.141592653589 in double precision.

"Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it" --Homer Simpson But seriously not that long ago it was a valid question to ask "How many angels can fit on the head of a pin"

Also Alcohol 120% has a command line utility, but it's not free. Glad you found a solution.

QUOTE(Dirk J. @ Jun 27 2007, 05:50 AM) DING DING DING, we have a winner folks, no need to expand on this thread further. EDIT: I don't know if your I64 indicator can hold infinity, I would recommend using an indicator like this. Here it can also contain the size of God to a decimal place too. But it's murder on your system's memory.

I just got done reading through the previous 18 pages, and I must say I respect alfa for his contribution to the forum and the LabVIEW community, but seriously most of his posts appear to be pushing his own agenda, and are random steaming of consciousness. This is not flaming this is fact. I posted a thing on parallel universes because I assumed this thread was still about the 5th dimension. We've gone from that to being animals, prostitution, world leaders, aliens, the end of days, I can't even make sense of most of alfa's posts. QUOTE What does that even mean? Why would prostitutes need bullets? Why would they use stones against wise people? "I said that not a Chinese" What? I have four questions on that single sentence alone, and every post is like that. QUOTE this means I was right, the parallel universe is very close to us; we will feel it soon! What makes you think we can "feel" parallel universes? (if they exist) Since this thread seems to be WAY off topic, I'm just going to leave it alone. (you may continue to pick apart every thing I said now)

Some one should make a video montage of people crossing traffic, with the Benny Hill theme song. For those of you that are deprived and don't know what I'm talking about, here's a nice montage some one made with the war of the worlds (never seen it) Youtube also has the shows ending music without the war of the worlds, that is found here.

So I don't like to think that I can add any thing to this discussion on my own. Talking about basic concepts of a 5th dimension I can handle, but it starts to get a little crazy when you're talking about the super string theory. So some one at another forum, that I'm a member of, posted a video from the BBC which discusses parallel universes. Found here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4183875433858020781 But it goes farther than just saying "oh yeah by the way there are an infinite parallel universes where you win the lottery" while that would be cool. This video is kinda long, 45 minutes, but very informing. I don't know if any of the theories it talks about are real, but I would still like to be informed about these ideas, so that when some one mentions the M theory I at least know what it is. This video does talk about multiple dimensions (up to 11), the super string theory, the M theory, the multiverse, and how our universe was created (supposedly).

There is no emoticon which conveys my astonishment.

My goodness how old is that?

I have never discovered a programming language that can do what I need it to do, and be as quick, and easy to use as LabVIEW. No language is perfect, but for me and what I need from a programming language, LabVIEW is the only choice. And when ever any one questions LabVIEW's abilities, I always ask them to write a Hello World program, in LabVIEW it takes me less than 15 seconds to create and run a hello world program. Some languages would take longer than 15 seconds just to compile it. Also it's troubleshooting abilities are amazing. I learned to program with LabVIEW, then when I went to Java I had a huge difficulty in finding where problems were. With LabVIEW just highlight execution and you can see exactly what is happening.

QUOTE(crelf @ Jun 2 2007, 05:14 PM) Yeah you actually have to pay to download. I'm not a member of that highly illigal service but I was curious and found it cost money. It is very discouraging having people not spelling LabVIEW correctly. I'm not a big stickler on capitalization, but that would be like trying to say Java but saying Lava. People would definatly get confused if they were searching Lava and got directed here on accident.

QUOTE(Wiebe@CARYA @ May 16 2007, 12:19 PM) Okay I don't want to turn this into a BartPE thread so I won't, but I will answer your question as briefly as possible. A while back, when XP was still in beta, a guy named Bart Lagerweij realized that during the normal XP install it kinda goes into a "Pre-Install Environment" where you have mouse and keyboard detection (this is the part of the install where you give it the serial number and other information) he realized by taking the right files from the installer CD he could have a machine boot to a live environment which was a preinstall environment where the user has HD detection, mouse keyboard monitor, and other basic functions. He made a program that would automate creating this Live environment and called it PEBuilder. PEBuilder would basically make BartPE from a XP (or Windows 2003) installation CD. This environment is very limited, it doesn't look like XP at all, it just has the basic funcitonality of XP. He then made plugins which make BartPE look and act more like XP. There's been several different spin offs of BartPE with Bart's permission, Reatogo, Winbuilder, and several others which are built around BartPE. As for the legality. The basic rule of thumb is, if you own a legal copy of XP you can legally make a backup copy incase your original is damaged. Because of this you can make legal copies of XP system files, you CANNOT however make tons of BartPE CDs and give them to all your friends (legally) it would be like giveing them copies of Microsoft software. So giving it to others is bad, but using it your self can also be kinda hazy. I am not a lawer and have no legal back ground. So any thing I say about the law could be completely wrong. Because of that I don't want to say what is fair use on a personal level. For system rescue on a few of your own personal computers BartPE should be fine. But making it the primary OS for 500 computers! I can't see how Microsoft would approve of that. There are actually limitations on some of the XP install files that say after 24 hours of being on it will turn the computer off. Kind of a bummer but it prevents people from making BartPE the primary OS (there are work arounds but non that are legal that I know of) For more legal discussion of BartPE go here. http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?sho...ost&p=56546 If you're still confused send Bart an email, in my experience he's very friendly, and has even helped my company with random questions we had about DOS boot ables a while back.

I don't own a mac but a friend of mine does, he dual boots with boot camp. I don't see how there would be any problems with running LabVIEW inside windows while on a mac. I mean windows doesn't know it's running on a mac, it just looks for an x86 architecture and drivers to control hardware, as long as it has these things I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Yes also the NI Example Finder has a couple email examples but you can't find them by searching for email. Under tasks it is found by going to Networking, then Internet & Web.

QUOTE(crelf @ May 11 2007, 09:34 AM) No it's okay I just won't speak any more.

Wow this is fricken amazing. I had no idea that this kind of thing existed. But yes it is kinda odd that NI would allow such a thing. Maybe NI makes most of their profit off of the hardware. I mean LabVIEW isn't the best programming language unless you add on all the DAQ, and Real-Time Embedded support that NI gives it with the hardware that they provide. I'm in the process of trying it out right now, I'm really curious to see how fast it runs. I mean the concept of running a virtual machine over the internet is not a new concept. I can't seem to find the link now, but there is a version of Linux that you can run from within a browser, but it's not free so I never tried it.

QUOTE(Wiebe@CARYA @ May 8 2007, 11:33 AM) BartPE is Free and Legal when used properly (you would be using it properly) BartPE is not owned by Microsoft. I think you are getting WinPE and BartPE mixed up. If you're interested here's the BartPE home page. http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/''>http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/' target="_blank">http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ But as I mentioned earlier BartPE probably wouldn't work because of the ethernet drivers issue. BartPE would need the drivers for the specific ethernet card. Usually this is done by running a small utility from within Windows, and extracting the driver that way. But since these machines don't have windows install it would make it more difficult to get the right drivers.

I'm not trying to flame you but isn't rule number 1 of LabVIEW to have data flow from left to right? Maybe you were in a hurry, but I found it difficult to understand what was happening in your VI because information didn't flow. Also there were no comments. What is Count? is it simply the number of rows in the array? What is Count good for? What version of LabVIEW was it made with? Why is there a random constant of "0" in the middle of the while loop which isn't wired to any thing? Answering any of these would be greatly appriciated. I'd also be glad to show you where you code could be improved if you'd like.

QUOTE(crelf @ May 4 2007, 12:53 PM) Not necessarily, I am very cautious about posting here.

QUOTE(dannyt @ May 2 2007, 06:41 AM) I know what you mean, at other forums I don't mind being funny, and kinda poking at people in a non threatning way (like making fun of crelf because he would know I'm kidding) But here I feel nervous about every thing I post, (being fairly new here doesn't help either) but crelf assured me, just read the Guidelines http://wiki.lavag.org/index.php/Forum_Guidelines''>http://wiki.lavag.org/index.php/Forum_Guidelines' target="_blank">http://wiki.lavag.org/index.php/Forum_Guidelines and if you don't break any of the rules feel free to post. Of course there are quite a few rules, but there needs to be since we don't want this to turn into the NI forums. Not that it's NI's fault people abuse it. (is this off topic I don't want to break the rules)

Yes the easiest (and ugliest) solution I would suggest, is similar to what you said. If the machine you are plugging it into is very controlled, meaning you're not constantly plugging USB drives, and installing new drives, I guess you could have it in a while loop, trying to get the file size of say F:\autorun.inf or some thing on the USB drive. It would return an error until the drive and file exists. That would be wasting alot of resources even if the while loop only ran once a second. It would have to be event driven since it could go hours, or days before being plugged in. Also another suggestion that you might want to look into is you could have the VI do some thing similar to "Wait Until Active" (which I don't know how to implement) Because as I'm sure you already know, when you plug in a USB drive that auto run menu opens. I don't know if LabVIEW supports it or not but you could create an event that does nothing until that auto run window is active then do stuff.

I must say I'm quite impressed (it happens alot) I was trying to find a way to trim MP3 files (cut off 6seconds from the beginning) and was hoping your code could help me, but I see it basically uses alot of Call Library Function Nodes. Also I had it crash several times even with LabVIEW 7.1. If I opened LabVIEW and told it to open the VI it would crash. But if I double clicked the file (when LabVIEW wasn't running) it would open LabVIEW and the VI properly.

Okay after I pretty much already have a set up done I realize it won't work for you. My idea was to take a PreInstall environment, based on BartPE, where you would create a live OS which was around 80MB. You could then load that 80MB into ram and run any LabVIEW executable with it. The problem is at 80MB there aren't very many drivers, it would likely not have any audio, dial-up, wireless, very limited ethernet drivers, but it would have SATA drives, and USB mass storage drivers. So I was going to include this program for you to include the ethernet drivers in the package. So basically you run this little utility, and it will detect what kind of drivers you have installed, then it gives you the option of adding those drivers. So my idea was for you to run this utility on the machine that you wanted to work on. Problem is, that computer doesn't have windows on it, it doesn't have any OS on it. This is a perfect solution, IF the identical ethernet card is also on another machine that does have windows on it. I know it's kinda confusing but it's hard to explain too. If you're still confused I can elaberate. Also if you still would like a How-To load LabVIEW into RAM I can post that some where, who knows some one else might want to do some thing similar.