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Well keep the reports coming when you see them. It just takes time to go through them all.

I noticed that myself as well as the irony when I logged in earlier this morning and saw the new posts with the same characteristics you had posted about before. Although I don't post very much, I have been lurking on here for quite a long time and it bothers me as well to see dwindling forum activity and increases in AI posts like these. I'm not a fan of huge forums like the NI Forums, and Discord is just not my cup of tea. If this forum dies, I will be 'homeless'.

I'm one of the last person wanting to cause you trouble. It is simply very frustrating. I felt sad about the dwindling interest here on LavaG but still felt the desire to regularly check it. But this AI slop simply is not good for my blood pressure and it will mean that I won't visit here anymore. I suspect it will be the same with many others. At this rate closing the forum for any new accounts would not have a worse effect. I would hate to see the accumulated wisdom of this forum disappear completely. The Wayback machine is a sort of archive for internet content but it is rather unreliable and tends to loose information after a while.

As is the case with most of these things, it is easy to tear down, but hard to build up. AI slop can cause problems to a forum, that take much more effort to clean up. Ever reported post pings me. I then need to review the thread, then evaluate how likely the member is spam, and decide what to do. Then repeat that many times.

AI generated slop commenting on a thread about AI generated slop really starts to get into infinity recursion. At this rate, LAVAG is going to be a useless resource for real people wanting some help and real people wanting to help. It makes me simply not wanting to even visit here anymore. It was depressing to see the low traffic here before, but this simply is killing everything. Soon to be an AI slop echo chamber???? Still the same characteristics apply as mentioned in my initial post. They all use the same LabVIEW version, started in the same year, have one or now 2 posts generated shortly after each other on the day of account creation and are in a way on topic, from extracting the right context from the thread, but simply say about as much as "The earth is round". Total bullshit, sounding on topic but saying nothing. They are simply useless, but don't quite cross the limit for real spam advertisement since they don't include any links as far as I can see. But I think I start to report them anyways as spam from now on, at least for when I still happen to come here.

The PRAGMA route is nice since it keeps the LabVIEW side unchanged. Deployment still feels like the part where people get surprised, especially keeping the matching SQLCipher DLL with the app.

A minimal repro would at least separate a Messenger issue from the usual RT deployment quirks. The Windows versus deployed RT split is always where the fun starts.

That is useful, but what about when you want to 'Create Subvi' from selection? I do this quite often and am tired of having to redo my defaults. I've been copying and pasting sections into a template instead.

Rather than disrupt the forums themselves, perhaps an AI agent to scan threads and produce candidate wiki entries would be a good use of AI to collect and organize the tribal knowledge. Same with Discord. And in regard to immediacy, I think that's a big reason the Discord has grown so rapidly in our little LV community.

I'm a programmer, not a social worker. My AI concerns are around privacy, confidentiality and data exfiltration. I don't really do hand-wringing, feely stuff. My discussion input, in this thread, is about how to keep lavag.org relevant by utilising AI instead of just trying to defend against it. One way is to make lavag.org interactive when the few that still inhabit the forum (and the even fewer that answer questions) are asleep or do not have domain expertise. People with questions often want answers quickly because they have already spent days trying to resolve something and a forum is last resort. AI means that they may not have to wait 2 weeks for Rolf or you to come back from holiday to get something targeted, specific and useful.

You may not care @ShaunR, but I and others do. You favour pragmatism. I understand the appeal and the benefits of a "first interaction support" AI. My concerns center on the long-term, collective social and cognitive side effects of AI dependence and replacing human interactions with AI interactions. (AI can be used well or poorly) Are you interested in exploring this topic further?

It’s been a few years since large language models became widely available, so I’m curious about what the situation looks like for you when it comes to LabVIEW projects. Are you seeing a decline in interest? Are clients moving toward other programming languages? And a question for those of you who have had the opportunity to develop software using AI agents: after seeing what they are capable of, do you still feel motivated to develop software in LabVIEW? I have to admit that, from my perspective, AI agents have made incredible progress over the past two years. They can now create, test, and even deploy genuinely high-quality code. In my opinion, the LabVIEW market will start shrinking month by month, until eventually what remains will mostly be legacy systems that still need to be maintained.

That's such a Linux thing. "Ask it the way I want or you 4 pages of me berating you about how to ask a question". Asking erudite questions is simply an efficiency. Don't care. Never did. Overrated. There are symposiums and meetups for that. The forums are just a way to organise it. I don't see any downsides here. Got anything else?

Being on-topic is easy for an LLM to achieve. Being useful is harder, and that definitely hasn't been achieved in this case. So it's just time-wasting slop. Probably. Same purpose(s) as all other spambots, just using new tools: Either they will edit their posts later to insert spam links, or they're just vandalizing for the sake of it. That would indeed be putting AI to much better use. This part has harmful side-effects. Software community forums everywhere are shrivelling up, and I bet that one big reason is because people now talk to bots more, and talk to each other less. Sure, this makes answers more readily accessible, but the costs are: The loss of motivation to learn how to ask questions well. The loss of opportunities to share our knowledge with others directly. The loss of human networking in general. These activities have intrinsic social value beyond just acquiring information.

AI bot's seem fairly obvious to me, ATM. They don't really understand comma's and lists. On a different note. I've thought Lavag would be a good place for it's own AI bot. It could link questions to previous resolved answers. Automatically identify cross-posts. Guard against spam bots etc. Lavag.org is a huge resource that could be targeted domain training. Known meat-sacks could upvote and downvote the AI bot's response to train it. Too many downvotes, it disappears from the responses so as to not pollute with stupid responses. I think lavag could utilise a simple AI as a first interaction support. The expertise of a years worth of LabVIEW (experienced intern). A users question is usually a much better search criteria than the site search where you need to know the keywords.

I'm a bit surprised that there is such a strong activity in recent days on this forum. On one side we should be happy but on the other, they all share similar traits: - They are all from new accounts created within the last ~24 hours or so with names that look quite made up - They all tend to be one hit or two hit wonders, which is still questionable - Their answer is kind of on topic but also at the same time rather generic in some ways - They all claim to use LabVIEW 2020 and working with LabVIEW since 2015 Are we witnessing a new wave of AI generated spam posts? What could be the purpose?

Forum software probably has a stale embed whitelist, which is a bit ironic for an XKCD about dependencies. Plain links still do the job, meh.

Seems like the security check is flaky rather than the password rules. Weird that posting in the thread nudged it into working, but at least the account got through.

Windows 11 seems to expose every little bit of old UI behavior eventually. Link hover is one of those things that can look fine until someone actually tries to click through.

Nice to see the v2 version preserved here. Alt for horizontal feels a lot less awkward than retraining Shift muscle memory, and the middle-button pan bit is a handy extra.

I should also point out it is forum etiquette to state and link if a question is a cross-post on Ni.com. https://forums.ni.com/t5/Industrial-Communications/NI-9145-with-NI-9476-9375-in-TwinCAT/td-p/4485626

IIRC. There is a safe-mode that will set outputs to a safe value (presumably 0v for sourcing 24v) when active. However. I think the status LED of the controller should be blinking red to signify that. Apart from that. If a variable can be set but it's not being replicated in the slave device (the NI device is a slave, right?) then it points to a mismatch in the PDO mapping. I do not know how you would tell that from the XML files you supplied but you may know more about their construction than I.

This problem is not unique to mailing lists. Forums, StackOverflow, and official technical support channels still encounter them (although the modern channels do have more tools to deal with them).

Mailing lists were great for maintainers, horrendous for users. Waiting a week to see if your question was answered and trawling through the archives in case you missed a response. One's issue getting engulfed in spam of the same simple issues posted by different people over and over again. I'm glad the days of IRC, Mailing Lists and, hopefully, Discord, are way behind us. Even SQLite eventually dumped the mailing list and support has greatly improved because of it.

I never did the IRC thing, but started with mailing lists as the main support channel. I have quite fond memories of the Info-LabVIEW mailing list started by Tom Coradeschi and currently maintained by Scott Hannahs for posterity. Back when you had to actually connect a modem through your main telephone line in order to go onto the big, friendly (back then at least) internet, mailing lists were very handy as one could respond to the mails offline and then connect to the internet provider to send off all the mails in one batch.