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hooovahh started following My ZLIB Deflate and Compression in G
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So a couple of years ago I was reading about the ZLIB documentation on compression and how it works. It was an interesting blog post going into how it works, and what compression algorithms like zip really do. This is using the LZ77 and Huffman Tables. It was very education and I thought it might be fun to try to write some of it in G. The deflate function in ZLIB is very well understood from an external code call and so the only real ever so slight place that it made sense in my head was to use it on LabVIEW RT. The wonderful OpenG Zip package has support for Linux RT in version 4.2.0b1 as posted here. For now this is the version I will be sticking with because of the RT support. Still I went on my little journey trying to make my own in pure LabVIEW to see what I could do. My first attempt failed immensely and I did not have the knowledge, to understand what was wrong, or how to debug it. As a test of AI progression I decided to dig up this old code and start asking AI about what I could do to improve my code, and to finally have it working properly. Well over the holiday break Google Gemini delivered. It was very helpful for the first 90% or so. It was great having a dialog with back and forth asking about edge cases, and how things are handled. It gave examples and knew what the next steps were. Admittedly it is a somewhat academic problem, and so maybe that's why the AI did so well. And I did still reference some of the other content online. The last 10% were a bit of a pain. The AI hallucinated several times giving wrong information, or analyzed my byte streams incorrectly. But this did help me understand it even more since I had to debug it. So attached is my first go at it in 2022 Q3. It requires some packages from VIPM.IO. Image Manipulation, for making some debug tree drawings which is actually disabled at the moment. And the new version of my Array package 3.1.3.23. So how is performance? Well I only have the deflate function, and it only is on the dynamic table, which only gets called if there is some amount of data around 1K and larger. I tested it with random stuff with lots of repetition and my 700k string took about 100ms to process while the OpenG method took about 2ms. Compression was similar but OpenG was about 5% smaller too. It was a lot of fun, I learned a lot, and will probably apply things I learned, but realistically I will stick with the OpenG for real work. If there are improvements to make, the largest time sink is in detecting the patterns. It is a 32k sliding window and I'm unsure of what techniques can be used to make it faster. ZLIB G Compression.zip
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How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
ensegre replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
You could also check https://github.com/ISISSynchGroup/mjpeg-reader which provides a .Net solution (not tried). So, who volunteers for something working on linux? -
How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
Harris Hu replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
This is acceptable. -
How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
ensegre replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
As for converting jpg streams in memory, very long time ago I have used https://forums.ni.com/t5/Example-Code/jpeg-string-to-picture/ta-p/3529632 (windows only). At the end of the discussion thread there, @dadreamer refers to https://forums.ni.com/t5/Machine-Vision/Convert-JPEG-image-in-memory-to-Imaq-Image/m-p/3786705#M51129, which links to an alternative WinAPI way. -
How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
Neil Pate replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
The Weather Station example that ships with LabVIEW shows a bit of this. but the data is not Base64, its just a pure characters, -
How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
ShaunR replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
LabVIEW can only draw PNG from a binary string using the PNG Data to LV Image VI. (You'd need to base64 decode the string first) I think there are some hacky .NET solutions kicking around that should be able to do JPG if you are using Windows. -
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How to load a base64-encoded image in LabVIEW?
ensegre replied to Harris Hu's topic in LabVIEW General
I haven't tried any of them, but these are the first 3 results popping up from a web search: https://forums.ni.com/t5/Example-Code/LabVIEW-Utility-VIs-for-Base64-and-Base32Hex-Encoding-Using/ta-p/3491477 https://www.vipm.io/package/labview_open_source_project_lib_serializer_base64/ https://github.com/LabVIEW-Open-Source/Serializer.Addons (apparently the repo of the code of the previous one) -
I received some image data from a web API in Base64 format. Is there a way to load it into LabVIEW without generating a local file? There are many images to display, and converting them to local files would be cumbersome. base64.txt is a simple example of the returned data. image/jpeg base64.txt
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The first thing is that you should make sure your VI's diagram and front panels fit a normal screen size and that front panels show up at the center. That way you can collaborate with people with such screens easier, and force yourself to modularize (all that code copied everywhere; make subVIs of it and reuse them(!)) and keep the code tidy. Right now when I open the thing it is huge and off screen, even though my resolution is 2560*1600. This, and the messy non-modularized code will scare off most people from trying to help you as it becomes an unnecessary hassle from the start (dealing with such things instead of an actual logical puzzle is too boring 😉 ). Without an example of the issue you are describing (how does the output file look compared to what you expected e.g.?) and looking at the messy code this first reply now will focus on the style and structure of the code rather than the flagged issue: All the repeated data fetching code e.g. could be reduced to generate an array of fetch parameters and a single for-loop that generates the fetch commands and fetches the data - and outputs an array of the results. If there is a fetch command that avoid having to fetch one parameter at a time I would use that instead as well to eliminate the overhead of each request, otherwise it may sum up and limit your fetch rate....Even better; use a fecth that returns the histroy of multiple items instead of fetching one sample of one item at a time....(I do not know if the API offers this though). Timing-wise you have everything in one huge loop and there is nothing to ensure that it actually runs at the given rate (If you want a loop to run once a second e.g. you have to make sure the code inside it does not take more time to execute and at a minimum you should replace the wait function with a Wait Until Next ms Multiple. Split the code into separate loops and/or VIs that run in parallell instead, making sure each diagram or at least each loop is small enough to be seen on a normal display, allowing the user to get an overview at least vertically, some horisontal scrolling to follow the data flow might sometimes be OK. There are a lot of designs patterns that might be suitable for your code (Producer-Consumer, QMH etc) , but just separating the DAQ (REST Client) bit from the user interface handling e.g. is a good start) I would just skip the signal functions all together. Take the array of values you have fetched and convert it to a spreadsheet string (CSV format e.g.) with a time stamp added to each row and write that to a text file. If you really want to sample multiple times per second you might want to look at circular buffers and only write every now and then. At the level you are now just using the in-built buffers of the charts you already are using might be easier though. Have a look at some of the logging examples included with LabVIEW or available at ni.com to see how those structure the logic.
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From what I can remember, for LV 5.0.x and older RTE (i.e., a loader plus small subset of resources) was included into the EXE automatically during the build process. For LV 5.1.x there was a choice: to include RTE into the build or to use an external RTE. And since LV 6.0 only an external RTE was supposed. I could say more, such a trick is still possible for all modern versions on all three platforms (Win, Mac, Linux). The latest version I tested it on, was LV 2018, but I'm pretty sure, the technique hasn't changed much. I can't remember, from which version NI started to use Visual Studio 2015, but since then each EXE requires The Universal CRT, that is contained in Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable. One could install such a distro on a clean machine or copy all these files from the machine, where such a CRT is already installed. Now besides of those the application will also require this minimal subset of folders/files (true for LV 2018 64-bit): On Linux it goes much easier (true for LV 2014 64-bit): For LV 2018 64-bit with a "dark" RTE it also wants And for Mac OS you can embed RTE into the application with this script: Standalone LabVIEW-built Mac Application with Post-Build Action. Of course (and I'm sure everyone understands that), the technique described above, is applicable to very simple 'a la calculator' apps and not very to not at all for more or less complex projects. The more functions are called, the more dependencies you get. If something from MKL is used, you need lvanlys.dll and LV##0000_BLASLAPACK.dll, if VISA is used, you need visa32.dll, NiViAsrl.dll and maybe others, and so on and so forth.
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I have a LabVIEW VI that opens a REST client and, inside a While Loop, sends multiple HTTP POST requests to read data from sensors. The responses are converted to numeric values, displayed on charts/indicators, and logged to an XLSX file using Set Dynamic Data Attributes and Write To Measurement File, with the loop rate controlled by a Wait (ms). For timestamps I use Get Date/Time In Seconds that links to each of the Set Dynamic Attributes. The charts and displays appear to update correctly, but there are problems with the Excel logging. When the update rate is set higher than 1 sample/s, the saved magnitudes are wrong and are only correct at exact 1-second points (1 s, 2 s, 3 s, etc.); the values in between are incorrect. When the update rate is set to 1 sample/s, the values are initially correct, but after ~30 minutes the effective time interval starts drifting above 1 s. This looks like a buffering, timing, or logging issue rather than a sensor problem. I’ve attached the VI and would appreciate advice on how the VI should be restructured so that the values and timestamps written to Excel are correct and stable over long runs and at higher update rates. I am also attaching the vi where I tried to implement the buffer using the Feedback Node and Case Structure. However there is a problem as the Case Structure is never executed as the buffer at the start is 0. Json_getData_3.vi Json_getData_5_Buffer.vi
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It just didn't. Like I said. I only got the out of memory when I was trying to load large amounts of data. I suppose you could consider that a crash but there was never any instance of LabVIEW just disappearing like it does nowadays. I only saw the "insane object" two or three times in my whole Quality Engineering career and LabVIEW certainly didn't take down the Windows OS like some of the C programs did regularly. But I can understand you having different experiences. I've come to the conclusion, over the years, that my unorthodox workflows and refusal to be on the bleeding edge of technology, shield me from a lot of the issues people raise.
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Ok, you should have specified that you were comparing it with tools written in C 🙂 The typical test engineer has definitely no idea about all the possible ways C code can be made to trip over its feet and back then it was even less understood and frameworks that could help alleviate the issue were sparse and far between. What I could not wrap my head around was your claim that LabVIEW never would crash. That's very much controversial to my own experience. 😁 Especially if you make it sound like it is worse nowadays. It's definitely not but your typical use cases are for sure different nowadays than they were back then. And that is almost certainly the real reason you may feel LabVIEW crashes more today then it did back then.
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Gotta disagree here (surprise!) Take a look at the modern 20k VI monstrosities people are trying to maintain now so as to be in with the cool cats of POOP. I had a VI for every system device type and if they bought another DVM, I'd modify that exe to cater for it. It was perfect modularisation at the device level and modifying the device made no difference to any of the other exe's. Now THAT was encapsulation and the whole test system was about 100 VI's. They are called VI's because it stood for "Virtual Instruments" and that's exactly what they were and I would assemble a virtual test bench from them. Defintely 3). LabVIEW was the first ever programming language I learned when I was a quality engineer so as to automate environmental and specification testing. While I (Quality Engineering) was building up our test capabilities we would use the Design Engineering test harnesses to validate the specifications. I was tasked with replacing the Design Engineering white-box tests with our own black-box ones (the philosophy was to use dissimilar tools to the Design Engineers and validate code paths rather than functions, which their white-box testing didn't do). Ours were written in LabVIEW and theirs was written in C. I can tell you now that their test harnesses had more faults than the Pacific Ocean. I spent 80% of my time trying to get their software to work and another 10% getting them to work reliably over weekends. The last 10% was spent arguing with Engineering when I didn't get the same results as their specification That all changed when moving to LabVIEW. It was stable, reliable and predictable. I could knock up a prototype in a couple of hours on Friday and come back after the weekend and look at the results. By first break I could wander down to the design team and tell them it wasn't going on the production line . That prototype would then be refined, improved and added to the test suite. I forget the actual version I started with but it was on about 30 floppy disks (maybe 2.3 or around there). If you have seen desktop gadgets in Windows 7, 10 or 11 then imagine them but they were VI's. That was my desktop in the 1990's. DVM, Power Supply, and graphing desktop gadgets that ran continuously and I'd launch "tests" to sequence the device configurations and log the data. I will maintain my view that the software industry has not improved in decades and any and all perceived improvements are parasitic of hardware improvements. When I see what people were able to do in software with 1960's and 80's hardware; I feel humbled. When I see what they are able to do with software in the 2020's; I feel despair. I had a global called the "BFG" (Big F#*king Global). It was great. It was when I was going through my "Data Pool" philosophy period.
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One BBF (Big Beauttiful F*cking) Global Namespace may sound like a great feature but is a major source of all kinds of problems. From a certain system size it is getting very difficult to maintain and extend it for any normal human, even the original developer after a short period. When I read this I was wondering what might cause the clear misalignment of experience here with my memory. 1) It was ironically meant and you forgot the smiley 2) A case of rosy retrospection 3) Or are we living in different universes with different physical laws for computers LabVIEW 2.5 and 3 were a continuous stream of GPFs, at times so bad that you could barely do some work in them. LabVIEW 4 got somewhat better but was still far from easy sailing. 5 and especially 5.1.1 was my first long term development platform. Not perfect for sure but pretty usable. But things like some specific video drivers for sure could send LabVIEW frequently belly up as could more complicated applications with external hardware (from NI). 6i was a gimmick, mainly to appease the internet hype, not really bad bad far from stable. 7.1.1 ended up to be my next long term development platform. Never touched 8.0 and only briefly 8.2.1 which was required for some specific real-time hardware. 8.6.1 was the next version that did get some use from me. But saying that LabVIEW never crashed on me in the 90ies, even with leaving my own external code experiments aside, would be a gross under-exaggeration. And working in the technical support of NI from 1992 to 1996 for sure made me see many many more crashes in that time.
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The thing I loved about the original LabVIEW was that it was not namespaced or partitioned. You could run an executable and share variables without having to use things like memory maps. I used to to have a toolbox of executables (DVM, Power Supplies, oscilloscopes, logging etc. ) and each test system was just launching the appropriate executable[s] at the appropriate times. It was like OOP composition for an entire test system but with executable modules. Additionally, crashes were unheard of. In the 1990's I think I had 1 insane object in 18 months and didn't know what a GPF fault was until I started looking at other languages. We could run out of memory if we weren't careful though (remember the Bulldozer?). Progress!
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Tell that to Microsoft. Again. Tell that to Microsoft. I'm afraid the days of preaching from a higher moral ground on behalf of corporations is very much a historical artifact right now.
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A11A11111, or any such alpha-numeric serial from that era worked. For a while at the company I was working at, we would enter A11A11111 as a key, then not activate, then go through the process of activating offline, by sending NI the PC's unique 20 (25?) digit code. This would then activate like it should but with the added benefit of not putting the serial you activated with on the splash screen. We would got to a conference or user group to present, and if we launched LabVIEW, it would pop up with the key we used to activate all software we had access to. Since then there is an INI key I think that hides it, but here is an idea exchange I saw on it. LabVIEW 5 EXEs also ran without needing to install the runtime engine. LabVIEW 6 and 7 EXEs could run without installing the runtime engine if you put files in special locations. Here is a thread, where the PDF that explains it is missing but the important information remains.
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True there is no active license checking in LabVIEW until 7.1. And as you say, using LabVIEW 5 or 6 as a productive tool is not wise, neither is blabbing about Russian hack sites here. What someone installs on his own computer is his own business but expecting such hacks to be done out of pure love for humanity is very naive. If someone is able to circumvent the serial check somehow (not a difficult task) they are also easily able to add some extra payload into the executable that does things you rather would not want done on your computer.
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I have LabVIEW 5 and 6 on my USB stick too and they both run OK on Windows 10. Initially LV 5 was hanging at the start, so I had to disable multithreading: ESys.StdNParallel=0 Not that I really need LabVIEW to be on hand all the time. But sometimes it's useful to have around an advanced calculator for quick-n-dirty prototyping. And sometimes to look at how things were then. Considering the age and bugs, using these versions for serious projects is, to put it mildly, unwise. I also don't like that LabVIEW re-registers file associations for itself every time it starts, but I'm more or less used to this. I also believe, those versions didn't really need some pirate tools. Just owner's personal data and serial number were needed. If not available, it was possible to use 'an infinite trial' mode: start, click OK and do everything you want.
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I know it runs (mostly), installation is a slightly different story. But that's still no justification to promote pirated software no matter how old.
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LabView 5.1 runs prefect on a windows 11 pro. The nice thing about LabView 5.x and maybe older, that is run from an USB stick. See picture
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LabVIEW 5 is almost 30 years old! It won't run on any modern computer very well if at all. Besides offering software even if that old like this is not just maybe illegal but definitely. So keep browsing your Russian crack sites but leave your offerings away from this site, please!
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Necesito usar cwui.ocx en visual basic 6 alguien sabe usarlo
javierw replied to javierw's topic in LabVIEW General
Hola abro visual basic 6 uso cwui.ocx pero me sale mensaje a los 5 minutos de limite de uso como hago para usar cwui.ocx y que no me genere ese bloqueo -
Necesito usar cwui.ocx en visual basic 6 alguien sabe usarlo
javierw replied to javierw's topic in LabVIEW General
