xiongxinwei Posted July 24 Report Share Posted July 24 I would like to ask for your opinion on the future development of labview, will it be replaced by other programming software in the test and measurement industry, such as C#, or Python. Quote Link to comment
Popular Post hooovahh Posted July 26 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 26 Anyone else getting their popcorn? I cannot predict the future. And worrying about things I can't control gives me anxiety. So I'm just going to chug along as best as I can. My boss likes the work I do, and I like my job. I'll be mindful of industry changes. But at the moment I am not pivoting away from LabVIEW or NI if I can't help it. 4 Quote Link to comment
xiongxinwei Posted July 29 Author Report Share Posted July 29 On 7/26/2024 at 1:06 PM, hooovahh said: Anyone else getting their popcorn? I cannot predict the future. And worrying about things I can't control gives me anxiety. So I'm just going to chug along as best as I can. My boss likes the work I do, and I like my job. I'll be mindful of industry changes. But at the moment I am not pivoting away from LabVIEW or NI if I can't help it. Expand You're right, I do worry about nothing. Quote Link to comment
brucekr Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 I worry some, because I'm self-taught without a degree. Hoping LabVIEW stays relevant for years to come, but it's prompting me to pick up python and possibly dust off my C. 1 Quote Link to comment
mcduff Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 I don't work in Industry, I work in a R&D facility but I am slightly pessimistic. My gut feeling is that Python will take over sometime in the near future. I have seen it before. When I first joined my group about 15 years ago all of the analysis was done using Matlab, now everyone uses Python. NI seems seems to be pushing solutions such as Flex Logger, Instrument Studio, etc, instead of LabVIEW. (Interestingly, those solutions look like they were built with NXG. ) On the plus side, we recently had a presentation by a NI rep who detailed plans for new DAQ equipment that was/is going to be in development. They were looking for feedback. The future is interesting. Quote Link to comment
Popular Post Bryan Posted August 2 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 2 LabVIEW has been my forte throughout my quarter-century or so of employment. It's what has made me most valuable to present and past employers, (and is what I enjoy doing the most). My only real concern at this point would be in finding another job within my purview, that wouldn't require me to relocate my family, should I not be able to continue working for my current employer. In the current state of things, I'm not concerned - but often wonder if I should be. 3 Quote Link to comment
xiongxinwei Posted August 5 Author Report Share Posted August 5 On 8/2/2024 at 7:09 PM, Bryan said: LabVIEW has been my forte throughout my quarter-century or so of employment. It's what has made me most valuable to present and past employers, (and is what I enjoy doing the most). My only real concern at this point would be in finding another job within my purview, that wouldn't require me to relocate my family, should I not be able to continue working for my current employer. In the current state of things, I'm not concerned - but often wonder if I should be. Expand Because of the globalization of trade, European and American companies to bring LabVIEW to China, in the past decade or so test equipment software are mainly developed using LabVIEW, but in recent years the situation is turbulent, reverse globalization, China's rising labor costs, resulting in a large number of European and American companies to withdraw from China, and at present NI's support is not good in China, resulting in many people do not look forward to the LabVIEW in the China's development. Quote Link to comment
infinitenothing Posted August 9 Report Share Posted August 9 In the COVID supply chain shake up, we saw some of the dangers of being so dependent and locked into NI and the blackbox that is LabVIEW so we're trying to do more custom design on our own. I've been doing some cool stuff with Python and Verilog. One of my co-workers is doing more with micro-controllers. Quote Link to comment
Rolf Kalbermatter Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 On 8/2/2024 at 2:56 AM, mcduff said: NI seems seems to be pushing solutions such as Flex Logger, Instrument Studio, etc, instead of LabVIEW. (Interestingly, those solutions look like they were built with NXG. ) Expand Not quite, they don't use NXG to create these application. NXG is truly and definitely dead. But they use the according C# frameworks and widget libraries they were creating for NXG. 1 Quote Link to comment
crossrulz Posted August 12 Report Share Posted August 12 On 8/12/2024 at 11:59 AM, Rolf Kalbermatter said: Not quite, they don't use NXG to create these application. NXG is truly and definitely dead. But they use the according C# frameworks and widget libraries they were creating for NXG. Expand To put in a little more detail... For NI, NXG was way more than just a rewrite of LabVIEW. NXG was a framework that all of their applications would use. This is most obvious with the UI. There is a full project just to manage the UI components: Fuse Design System Quote Link to comment
LogMAN Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 This was also mentioned in their blog post when they discontinued LabVIEW NXG: Our Commitment to LabVIEW as we Expand our Software Portfolio - NI Community Quote To build on the success of LabVIEW, we developed the NXG Platform which has enabled an entirely new set of offerings such as the NXG Web Module, SystemDesigner, FlexLogger, InstrumentStudio, VeriStand, and Digital Pattern Editor. Expand Quote Link to comment
Bean Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 (edited) There should be plenty of work for LabVIEW pros for a long time to come maintaining all the code that's out there, especially as newer developers pass over LabVIEW for Python. AI just makes coding in Python soooo fast. I'm no longer at Genuen, but we did make a LabVIEW-Python connector for those who would like to cross the streams (e.g. run Python scripts that control your LabVIEW manual control screen). It's solid. I'm attaching a screenshot from Keywords Everywhere so you can see some numbers on search interest. Yes, Google has adjusted the way it reports this a few times, but fwiw, they have Python heading the other direction. Edited September 16 by Bean typo, more context on TestScript Quote Link to comment
LogMAN Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 These statistics can be very misleading as they show interest over time and cannot easily be compared. For example, this is a comparison between LabVIEW (blue), Simulink (yellow), and Node-RED (red): Here is another comparison between PHP (blue), C++ (red), C (yellow), JavaScript (green), and C# (purple): Relatively, each of these languages shows considerable less interest over time and converge towards a similar value. Unfortunately, we can't get the full picture as we do not have earlier data. Otherwise, it would probably show pretty much the same curve as Python does. We are just further along the curve (the hype is over 🙁). For the sake of completeness, this is the graph for Python: While everyone is clearly interested in Python, this doesn't mean that any of the other languages is suddenly going to be obsolete or non-functional. People (and businesses) will always follow the hype train, of course. Though, we should certainly not fall victim to ignorance as clearly the LabVIEW community is not quite as enthusiastic as it used to be. I wonder if we should pitch a Python port of LabVIEW to NI... 😈 Quote Link to comment
Bean Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 (edited) Hi, LogMAN – Thanks for sharing. On 9/17/2024 at 5:09 PM, LogMAN said: These statistics can be very misleading Expand This is an important point. One thing I've noticed with Google Trends is to be careful about selecting their suggested search term categories. For example, "Python" vs. "Python Programming language" graphs look very similar; however, "C++" vs. "C++ High-level programming language" look very different. Maybe it's the addition of "High-level" in the case of C++. Either way, I like to look at the raw data so we're not prematurely filtering. We can intuit some things from the shape of the graphs. For example, are many more people searching for the python snake vs. the programming language today vs. 20 years ago? Are people searching for "C++" for some other reason than the programming language? Keeping these things in mind and looking at the raw plots, while risky, is at least a "known" risk. What is "unknown" is how Google is deciding when a "C++" raw search gets categorized as a "High-level programming language". On 9/17/2024 at 5:09 PM, LogMAN said: For the sake of completeness, this is the graph for Python: Expand And, here is the raw graph for LabVIEW, C++, Python, and C. As you can see, C++ and C follow a similar trajectory, which hints, to me at least, that we're not talking about "the letter C". Again, it's raw data with no categorization by Google, so who knows: On 9/17/2024 at 5:09 PM, LogMAN said: I wonder if we should pitch a Python port of LabVIEW to NI... 😈 Expand Looking at how LabVIEW disappears from view compared to C++, C, and Python, umm yes? This is why I wanted to develop TestScript. It's ~3,000 lines of Python code that lets us abstract sequencing logic away from LabVIEW. Effectively making LabVIEW a manual-control-screen builder. Again, I'm not there anymore but the tool is solid, in my biased opinion, and free: https://www.genuen.com/products/testscript For context, C++ was released in 1985, LabVIEW 1986, and Python 1991. Edited September 17 by Bean Quote Link to comment
Bryan Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 I was interested in downloading it to have a look. However, the download page will not accept an email address from providers such as gmail, hotmail, etc. Quote Link to comment
LogMAN Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 On 9/17/2024 at 6:10 PM, Bean said: This is an important point. One thing I've noticed with Google Trends is to be careful about selecting their suggested search term categories. For example, "Python" vs. "Python Programming language" graphs look very similar; however, "C++" vs. "C++ High-level programming language" look very different. Maybe it's the addition of "High-level" in the case of C++. Either way, I like to look at the raw data so we're not prematurely filtering. We can intuit some things from the shape of the graphs. Expand Completely agree. On 9/17/2024 at 6:10 PM, Bean said: For example, are many more people searching for the python snake vs. the programming language today vs. 20 years ago? Are people searching for "C++" for some other reason than the programming language? Keeping these things in mind and looking at the raw plots, while risky, is at least a "known" risk. What is "unknown" is how Google is deciding when a "C++" raw search gets categorized as a "High-level programming language". Expand I wonder how the number of people with internet access affect the data. In the past the percentage of technology-agnostic people was probably higher on average than nowadays. Especially for niche topics like LabVIEW. Quote What’s most useful for storytelling is our normalized Trends data. This means that when we look at search interest over time for a topic, we’re looking at that interest as a proportion of all searches on all topics on Google at that time and location. -- What is Google Trends data — and what does it mean? | by Simon Rogers | Google News Lab | Medium Expand It also makes a difference whether you look at global data or just a specific area. For example, interest for LabVIEW in China and USA are somewhat distinct: China USA There are also distinct changes to the slope when Google decides to improve their categorization systems. We may also see a sudden decline for languages with the adoption of AI assistants as most developers don't need to search the internet anymore and instead rely on the answers produced by the Copilot integrated in their IDEs. Maybe this is what's happening to the Python chart? Quote Link to comment
xiongxinwei Posted September 19 Author Report Share Posted September 19 On 9/18/2024 at 5:12 AM, LogMAN said: It also makes a difference whether you look at global data or just a specific area. For example, interest for LabVIEW in China and USA are somewhat distinct: China Expand Google search engine not available in China😅 Quote Link to comment
Bean Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 (edited) On 9/19/2024 at 3:08 AM, xiongxinwei said: Google search engine not available in China😅 Expand And yet, for this year, Google shows peak monthly search interest for LabVIEW occurring in China. Weird. The following does not represent total search interest, but peak interest listed by Google in any given month this year: Here's the data from the tree map above: 1 China 100 2 Taiwan 96 3 Tunisia 74 4 Switzerland 74 5 South Korea 67 6 Ecuador 58 7 Armenia 57 8 Mexico 57 9 Singapore 56 10 Germany 54 11 Slovenia 52 12 Lebanon 47 13 Austria 42 14 Hungary 35 15 Denmark 33 16 Norway 33 17 Czechia 32 18 Israel 32 19 Finland 31 20 Costa Rica 31 21 Ireland 30 22 Colombia 29 23 Sweden 28 24 Belgium 27 25 Romania 27 26 Malaysia 26 27 United States 25 28 Netherlands 23 29 France 23 30 Italy 23 31 Hong Kong 23 32 India 22 33 Poland 22 34 Peru 22 35 Canada 21 36 Portugal 21 37 Japan 20 38 Pakistan 20 39 New Zealand 19 40 Morocco 19 41 Spain 17 42 United Kingdom 17 43 Slovakia 16 44 Thailand 16 45 Russia 15 46 Algeria 13 47 Serbia 13 48 Australia 12 49 Iran 12 50 Greece 11 51 Egypt 11 52 Venezuela 11 53 South Africa 10 54 Vietnam 10 55 Philippines 9 56 Chile 9 57 United Arab Emirates 7 58 Brazil 6 59 Ukraine 6 60 Türkiye 5 61 Argentina 5 62 Indonesia 5 63 Saudi Arabia 4 Edited September 19 by Bean Quote Link to comment
xiongxinwei Posted September 20 Author Report Share Posted September 20 On 9/19/2024 at 3:49 AM, Bean said: And yet, for this year, Google shows peak monthly search interest for LabVIEW occurring in China. Weird. The following does not represent total search interest, but peak interest listed by Google in any given month this year: Expand China's LabVIEW users are indeed more, most of them are concentrated in coastal areas, I think it may have something to do with China's huge manufacturing industry, factories inside a lot of test software are developed using LabVIEW. Quote Link to comment
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