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A customer asked me to create a powerpoint explaining the advantages of LabVIEW. While putting together the practical rationales, just for grins I asked Chatgpt to create a presentation explaining the philosophy of LabVIEW in a Zen sort of way. Here is what it came up with. Zen_of_LabVIEW.pdf

I spent a long time online with YouTube support and finally got to the bottom of it. The Channel is back, and all the links work!

Phew that is a pretty strong opinion! Although I personally am not a fan of the overall style of DQMH none of my problems are with the scripting/wizards or placeholder text. I think any framework that tries to do "a lot" will be complicated... your own personal framework (which you likely find trivial to use) is likely to be a bit weird to others. DQMH is extremely popular for a reason... To paraphrase the words of a wiser person than I, "please don't yuck someone elses yum"

Many years ago I made a demo for myself on how to drag and drop clones of a graph. I wanted to show a transparent picture of the new graph window as soon as the drag started, to give the user immediate feedback of what the drag does and the window to be placed exactly where it is wanted. I think I found inspiration for that on ni.com or here back then, but now I cannot find my old demo, nor the examples that inspired me back then. Now I have an application where I want to spawn trends of a tag if you drag the tag out of listbox and I had to remake the code...(see video below). At first I tried to use mouse events to position the window, but I was unable to get a smooth movement that way. I searched the web for similar solutions and found one that used the Input device API to read mouse positions to move a window without a title and that seemed to be much smoother. The first demo I made for myself is attached here (run the demo and drag from the list...). It lacks a way to cancel the drag though; Once you start the drag you have a clone no matter what. dragtrends.mp4 Has anyone else made a similar feature? Perhaps where cancelling is handled too, and/or with a more generic design / framework? Drag window out of listbox - Saved in LV2018.zip

The examples you provide are invalid JSON, which makes it difficult to understand what you are actually trying to do. In your VI, the input data is a 2D array of string but the JSON output is completely different. Your first step should be to define the types you need to produce the expected JSON output. Afterwards you can map your input data to the output data and simply convert it to JSON. The structure of the inner-most object in your JSON appears to be the following: { "Type":"ABC", "IP":"192.168.0.0", "Port":111, "Still":1, "Register":"Register", "Address":12345, "SizeLength":1, "FET":2, "Size":"big", "Conversion":"small" } In LabVIEW, this can be represented by a cluster: When you convert this cluster to JSON, you'll get the output above. Now, the next level of your structure is a bit strange but can be solved in a similar manner. I assume that "1", "2", and "3" are instances of the object above: { "1": {}, "2": {}, "3": {} } So essentially, this is a cluster containing clusters: The approach for the next level is practically the same: { "TCP": {} } And finally, there can be multiple instances of that, which, again, works the same: { "EQ1": {}, "EQ2": {} } This is the final form as far as I can tell. Now you can use either JSONtext or LabVIEW's built-in Flatten To JSON function to convert it to JSON {"EQ1":{"TCP":{"1":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"},"2":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"},"3":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"}}},"EQ2":{"TCP":{"1":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"},"2":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"},"3":{"Type":"ABC","IP":"192.168.0.0","Port":111,"Still":1,"Register":"Register","Address":12345,"SizeLength":1,"FET":2,"Size":"big","Conversion":"small"}}}} The mapping of your input data should be straight forward.

In a previous life, I used to teach a CLD level class using this book, and enjoyed it a lot -- Some of it is certainly outdated at this point, but I think it still has a lot of solid info / strategies in it. I've attached the files as a .zip file to this post. Good luck! Effective LabVIEW Programming Files.zip

I have put some effort into improving the VI icons in Messenger Library, in hopes of making things clearer. I have particularly been trying to get rid of the magnifying glass icon, which was standing in for too many concepts. I have also tried to improve the Palettes by putting the standard VIs (that one would most commonly use) in the root-level palette: The 2.0 version also introduces Malleable API methods (the orange-coloured ones), which make code cleaner. If anyone could spare some time, it would help me to have feedback. Especially from people who have not used Messenger Library before, so I can get an idea if the key concepts come across. New 2.1.3 version is available here: https://forums.ni.com/t5/JDP-Science-Tools/New-icons-for-Messenger-Library/m-p/4412550#M192

You want an ability to override the Equality or Comparison operators? I'm unsure, whether it really existed in OpenG packages, but now you have those neat malleable VIs, that let you do that: Search Unsorted 1D Array , Sort 1D Array , Search Sorted 1D Array. They have an additional input to specify your own equals or less function in a form of a custom comparison class or a VI refnum. There's an article to help: Creating a Custom Sorting Function in LabVIEW

This is exactly what was said in that ancient thread: Tree control in labview. So if you add 65536*N to the Item Symbols property of the Listbox and have the "Enable Indentation" option activated, you shift the symbol/glyph and the text N levels to the right. Could be useful for simple 'parent-child' relationships, if you don't want to use a Tree. And still it's used in Find Examples / NI Example Finder window:

I once went for an interview where they gave me a coding test and asked me to modify it. It was a very long time ago so I don't remember the exact modification they wanted (nothing to do with memory leaks) but I do remember the obtain queue and read queue inside a while loop with the release queue outside. I asked if they wanted me to also fix the memory leak as well as the modifications and they were a little puzzled until I explained what you have just said. I must have seen (and fixed) this while-loop bug-pattern a thousand times since then in various code bases. I also created this VI which I generally use instead of the primitives as it intialises on first call, can be called from anywhere, and prevents most foot-shooting by rolling them all into a single VI and ensuring all references but 1 are closed after use. Queue.vi

Those aren't typo's and errors. They are tests to see if we are paying attention.

In the past I have used the IMAQ drivers for getting the image, which on its own does not require any additional runtime license. It is one of those lesser known secrets that acquiring and saving the image is free, but any of the useful tools have a development, and deployment license associated with it. I've also had mild success with leveraging VLC. Here is the library I used in the past, and here is another one I haven't used but looks promising. With these you can have a live stream of a camera as long as VLC can talk to it, and then pretty easily save snapshots. EDIT: The NI software for getting images through IMAQ for free is called "NI Vision Common Resources". This LAVA thread is where I first learned about it.

Just to share how I got around this: By deleting 1 front panel item at a time I found that one single control was causing PaneRelief to crash; an XY graph. Setting it temporarily to not scale and replacing it with a standard XY graph (the one I had had some colours set to transparent etc) was enough to avoid having PaneRelief crash LabVIEW, but it would now just present a timeout error: I found a way arund this too though: the VI in question was member of a DQMH lvlib that probably added a lot of complexity for PaneRelief. With a copy saved as a non-member it worked: I could replace the graph, edit the splitters with PaneRelief without the timeout error (even setting the size to 0), then copy back the original graph replacing the temporary one, and finally move the copy back into the lvlib and swap it with the original. Voila! What a Relief... 😉 I probably have to repeat this whole ordeal if I ever need to readjust the splitters in that VI with PaneRelief though 😮

I confirm that this license is nearly identical to the standard EULA we use for our commercial products. Some wording is not applicable to a distributed palette of VIs like this. Our intention was to share a few reusable tools, used internally, with the community. Ideally, we should have released them under a standard open-source license such as MIT or a similar option. These VIs have been released “as-is,” without support or any guarantee that they will function for your specific use case. You may need to troubleshoot or fix any issues on your own. Feel free to use them in any context. I’ll look into whether it's possible to update the packages on the tool network to replace the current license with a more standard open-source one.

I put a temporary ban on inserting external links in posts (except from a safe list). We'll see what affect it has.

This is the modern 2020's equivalent of "works for me".

Your reporting of spam is helpful. And just like you are doing one report per user is enough since I ban the user and all their posts are deleted. If spam gets too frequent I notify Michael and he tweaks dials behind the scene to try to help. This might be by looking at and temporarily banning new accounts from IP blocks, countries, or banning key words in posts. He also will upgrade the forum's platform tools occasionally and it gets better at detecting and rejecting spam.

Apparently they moved it under Visible Items Edit: This also affects other types of structures.

Well, there are two aspects. The first is the technical one from hackers diving into the software and unhiding things that NI felt were not ready for prime time, to complicated for simple users, or possibly also to powerful. The main reason definitely always is however: if we release that, we have to spend a lot more effort to make it a finished feature (a feature for internal use where you can tell your users: "sorry that was not meant to be used in the way you just tried") is maybe 10 - 20% of development time than the finished feature for public use. There is also support required. That costs money in terms of substantial extra development, end user quality documentation (a simple notepad file doesn't cut it), maintenance and fixing things if something does not match the documented behaviour. And yes I'm aware they don't always fix bugs immediately (or ever) but the premise is, that releasing a feature causes a lot of additional costs and obligations, if you want to or not. The other aspect is, if someone who is an active partner and has active contacts with various people at NI, he is infinitely more likely to be able to influence decisions at NI than the greatest hacker doing his thing in his attic and never talking with anyone from NI. In that sense it is very likely that Jim having talked with a few people at NI has done a lot more to make NI release this feature eventually, than 20 hackers throwing every single "secret" about this feature on the street. In that sense the term "forcing NI's hands" is maybe a bit inaccurate. He didn't force them, but led them to see the light! Not out of pure selfless love, but to be able to officially use that feature for himself. The according Right-Click framework was a proof of concept to see how this feature can be used and mainly an example to other users how it can be used, and indeed once it worked it had fulfilled its purpose. That it was not maintained afterwards is not specifically JKI's fault. It is open source, so anyone could have picked up the baton, if they felt it was so valuable for them. The problem with many libraries is actually, if they are not open source and free, many complain about that, if it is open source and/or free, they still expect full support for it! In that sense I have seen a nice little remark recently:

Well, you are missing some important details in "The story of how this came about". So maybe indeed "it is worth a post of its own". It was LabVIEW 7.0 where they forgot to put a password on one of the VIs shipped with LabVIEW. And that VI had some node(s) on its block diagram including, I think, the BD reference property for the VI class. The community indeed got excited. But what did NI do? They tried to hide everything again in LabVIEW 7.1! I made a joke then that "our mother" NI must had had a PMS so she put the most interesting toys on a top shelf. So I made a"ladder" for us, kids, to get to them again and called it hviewlabs was me then, because that was a name of my company I used to sell my LabHSM Toolkit, an actor framework with actors controlled by hierarchical state machines (statecharts), long before the Statechart toolkit by NI, "THE Actor Framework", DQMH, and even before LVOOP. After PJM_Labview has published his private class generator http://forums.lavag.org/index.php?showtopic=307&hl=# and class hierarchies http://forums.lavag.org/index.php?showtopic=2161# and http://forums.lavag.org/index.php?showtopic=314&hl=hierarchy# (neither topic is available anymore) it became clear how to get access to private classes, properties and methods. However, it wasn't convenient enough. My PMS Assistant made it really easy. It gave back the access to those features to a much wider community of LabVIEW enthusiasts As you can see from the PMS topic discussion, by that time brian175 already had made his DataAct Class Browser. And he got really excited about the possibility not only browse but also to actually create objects, property and method nodes with the properties and method NI didn't want the users to see. By April of the same 2006 he figured out object creation too and incorporated the capabilities of PMS Assistant into DataAct Class Browser. At that point, I guess, NI decided that "the cat is out of the bag" and there is no point to resist. Nevertheless even after VI Scripting was made released by NI some classes, and even some properties and methods of public classes remain hidden even in LabVIEW 2024. I wonder why DataAct Class Browser is no longer available (as of January 2025) as well as original findings by PJM_Labview even here, on LavaG. Did NI "politely asked" admins to remove all that and just forgot about my PMS Assistant?

Unfortunately, many of those are bots. I've disable user:pages long time ago, because of the spam. If there's anyone that deserves a lot of credit lately it's @LogMAN. He's doing amazing work cleaning up the pages and adding/editing content. There's a push recently from NI to support the Wiki and promote its use to the broader community and within NI internally as well. So, we should see more traffic and more activity than usual, which is great. This is one of the reasons for the recent stability updates. I encourage everyone here on LAVA to find whatever LabVIEW topic they are passionate about and start adding some pages or even fleshing out some existing content that needs improvement. One way to start would be to find some information that you always wish NI had easily available on their website but could never get easy access to. Then create that on the Wiki.

Hello ladies and gentlemen! Prepare yourselves for a massive wall of text. Thank you in advance. First time poster, long time lurker. Over the last decade I have found answers to a myriad of Labview related questions I've had on these forums, and I'm hoping some of you can help me out with my current conundrum. I've a solo developer for a large labview based automation project. I have worked with other labview developers in the past, but we've always kept what we were working on very compartmentalized because nobody ever wanted to deal with LVMerge. At the time they all said Labview effectively had zero way to merge VIs. Since those old days (9 years ago) we've come a long way. Unfortunately like many engineers I am horrible about UI/UX design - I'm trying to fix basic functionality, I don't care that you can't find the button (at least I don't care right then). But because of how solid the software is getting we're finally in a good position to start dedicating time and effort into improving our UI flow and design. So in the run up to this, and knowing I had basically zero experience with LVMerge/Compare except that the previous developers considered it "impossible", I did a few tests. My goal was to continue some development in the block diagram of the main top level VI in my own git branch, while another developer worked on UX changes on a second git branch. Then when he was ready we'd merge everything back together. All of his changes were focused on the Front Panel - he never opened the block diagram once. He was moving things, resizing things, changing captions and boolean texts, but never labels, and then adding various decorations as he wanted for clarity and organization. My initial test merges worked flawlessly. I was surprised how easy my small merges worked. From there he tinkered away when he could over 4ish weeks on the UI and I kept my usual pace on the main top level working on various bugs. I tried to limit what I was doing in the top level - most of the block diagram changes I made were cosmetic. It needed some TLC. Anyway fast forward and now we're ready to merge everything back together and ... I can't. I cannot get it to work. I've tried so much stuff. At first the errors were almost always during the LVCompare phase, usually about an insane block diagram object on the "base" vi. I'm familiar with heap peak so after a crash I'd comb the error log as well as I could (wish that thing had some documentation) and then try to find the offending object and fix it. More often then not I wouldn't see an issue with the object at all, and lots of the advice online is "just delete and remake the object" but I hate that solution because it means I fundamentally don't understand the actual problem, and when I'm merging three different versions of a big VI that gets tough to do. I've been experimenting with the tools, and eventually turned off auto resolve. Okay cool that would get me through the compare stage and actually open LVMerge where I could select which versions of things I wanted. From here it became a game of cat and mouse where I go through changes one by one till I get a crash, investigate, fix, change something related to said crash, and then run it again. This has been time (and sanity) consuming. It never worked, and eventually I got stuck on a merge change that I couldn't even identify what it was changing between the three, but I know that no matter which I select it crashes. I've kept trying various things since then. Resizing the tab control positions to be exactly the same Deleting a few FP objects on the base and FP update versions that I had removed when making BP changes on my version Adding a few objects I created for the same reason Added all 3 versions of the VI to the main most up to date project, opening and running them all to make sure there are no serious insane objects that are breaking them. They all run. This is by no means an exhaustive list of everything I've tried, but its what comes to mind right now as the major tries. Currently the state I'm in is that when I run it with all 3 versions with all the changes from above made to them, I can't get through the Compare stage because it crashes with a insane object error about "undo.cpp" which makes zero sense to me. What is it undoing? I tried limiting the number of Undos in LV settings, that didnt help, I tried increasing the limit greatly, that also didn't work (maybe didn't increase enough? Trying that now). I'm really deep in the weeds on this one now, and I would love some fresh perspectives. What's probably going to happen is that I'm going to write it all off as a lesson, and we'll just have the UI dev make his changes again on my current most up to date version - but I would really love to figure out the compare and merge process, and best practices for using it. The documentation for these is abysmal. There's basically nothing. I could probably pay for NI's annual subscription and maybe get some direct help from them but I had it out pretty big with some NI sales guys a few years ago when they transitioned away from perpetual licenses to the subscription model, and I don't want to pay them on principle; but I will if needed. Ultimately even if we do the changes again, I'd still like some best practices on where we went wrong and how to avoid this in the future. We're growing fast, and I could see having another full time labview developer working with me in the future and would love to come away from this with as many answers as possible on how to work in a team on labview binary files. If you've made it this far all I can say is thank you. Now please send help. PS: some info I should of added we use Labview 2021. I don't think we're on SP1, I don't remember why not, and I am willing to try updating. also willing to pay the sub and just upgrade to 2025, but not without good reason like someone tells me all about how they solved so many issues with Compare/Merge in the last 4 years and its going to be so much better I'm attaching my most recent error log from the crash I had last night. Its a doozy, reporting a TON of objects on both the FP and BP as insane. lvlog2025-08-11-15-32-09.txt

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I've just spent an hour arguing with an LLM (Deepcoder). TL;DR A.I. is useless at programming. I had a bug. I'd spent about an hour trying to figure it out and not succeeding but it shouldn't be that hard-I'm just missing something obvious. So. Ideal scenario for a clever AI to show dominance and help out a poor old flesh-bag programmer, right? Just point out the mistake or mistakes and laugh at my stupidity like a real coder. The bug was that the address from recvfrom would be 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1. The problem was either bind wasn't binding to a specific address (which it was supposed to) or the address translation was not working quite right. I gave it 3 functions where I thought the bug was and explained that IPv6 seemed to be reporting correctly but IPv4 was in error: one function (Listen) had the bind function one function had IPv6 and IPv4 address translation from a SOCKADDR_STORAGE structure to strings and the other function was the read function with the recvfrom. This is an abbreviation of the conversion: - Round one. The following code has a bug that returns 0.0.0.0 as the IPv4 address from "recvfrom" when it should be returning "127.0.0.1". Find the reason that the code is returning 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 and rewrite the code to fix the issue. It told me how to bind to a specific address and how to use the recvfrom function. It then basically wrote the example on the MS page for recvfrom but within the Listen function. - Round 2. I'm not using the "sockaddr_in" structures; I'm using SOCKADDR_STORAGE structures. Please modify your example to use SOCKADDR_STORAGE structures. It apologised made an excuse about misunderstanding and then proceeded to create an example, still using sockaddr_in structures, but this time hardcoding "127.0.0.1" in the bind address. - Round 3. No, no, no. It needs to support user entered IPv6 and IPv4 but there is a bug with the IPv4 address. It also needs to use SOCKADDR_STORAGE as in the code I supplied to you. Reevaluate the code and write a version of the code that fixes the bug. It apologised, said that it understands why it got it wrong, and then proceeded to create an example, still using sockaddr_in structures, but now hardcoding "::1" in the bind address. -Round 4. Look. It needs to support both IPv6 and IPv4 and that's the reason I'm using SOCKADDR_STORAGE. If you don't have enough information then ask for clarification but you have the code that the bug is in so find the damned bug FFS! Another apology, said it can understand my frustration and then proceeded to spit out the example from MS again. This went on for an hour. No code I could actually use in my functions, never pointed out the bug in my code and the prompts just got longer and longer as I tried to head-off it's stupidity. This was one of the functions. int Addr2Address(SOCKADDR_STORAGE addr, PCHAR Address, int *Port, int *IPvType) { int err = 0; *IPvType = 0; switch (addr.ss_family) { case AF_INET6: { if (Address == NULL) {return 46;} *IPvType = 2; char strAddress[46]; inet_ntop(addr.ss_family, (void*)&((sockaddr_in6 *)&addr)->sin6_addr, Address, sizeof(strAddress)); break; } case AF_INET: { if (Address == NULL) {return 16;} *IPvType = 1; char strAddress[16]; inet_ntop(addr.ss_family, (void*)&((sockaddr_in6 *)&addr)->sin6_addr, Address, sizeof(strAddress)); break; } default: {err = WSAEPROTONOSUPPORT; break;} } *Port = ntohs(((sockaddr_in6 *)&addr)->sin6_port); return err; } The bug is in the AF_INET case. inet_ntop(addr.ss_family, (void*)&((sockaddr_in6 *)&addr)->sin6_addr, Address, sizeof(strAddress)); It should not be an IPv6 address conversion, it should be an IPv4 conversion. That code results in a null for the address to inetop which is converted to 0.0.0.0. I found it after a good nights sleep and a fresh start.

Had the same issue. Removing a VI from a lvlib, using Pane Relief to set splitter size and moving it back to the the lvlib worked for me to. Thanks!

I kind of liked this idea and wished VIM's could allow for such a backpropagation. Even had a thought of making an idea on the dark forums. But then I played a while with the Variant To Data node. It doesn't play well. It can't determine a sink, if a polymorphic VI is connected or even when a LV native (yellow) node is connected. Borders of structures are another issue, obviously. So, it'd require making two ideas at least: to implement VIM backpropagation and to enhance the Variant To Data node. (As a hack one could eliminate the Variant to Data in their code with coerceFromVariant=TRUE token, but then the diagram starts to look odd and no error handling is performed). If someone still wants the code, shown in the very first post, it's here: https://code.google.com/archive/p/party-licht-steuerung/source/default/source?page=3 (\trunk\PLS-Code\PLS Main.vi). And these are the papers to progress through the lessons: LabVIEW Intermediate I Successful Development Practices Course Manual. Nothing interesting there for an experienced LV'er though. XNodes demonstrated here work a way better, and could be a good alternative (if you're OK with unsupported features, of course). As I tried to adapt them for my own purposes, I decided to improve the sink search technique. It surprised me a bit, that there's still no complete code to walk through all the nested structures to determine a source/sink by its wire. Maybe I didn't search well but all I found was this popup plugin: Find Wire Source.llb. It stops on Case structures though. I have reversed its logic to search for a sink instead of a source and tried to apply recursion, when it encounters a Case structure. Well, it's still not ideal, but now it works in most my cases. There are some cases, when it cannot find a sink, e.g. wire branches with void terms: Too many scenarios to process them all. Nevertheless, this little VI might be useful for someone. You may use it as a popup plugin, of course, or may pull out that Execute Find Wire Destination (R).vi and use it in your XNodes. As an example: Find Wire Destination.llb Already tried such nodes in a work project. I must admit that not all the time back-propagation is suitable, so about 50/50. But when it's used, it works.

It feels strange to me too. As I understand it, the "no merge" clause makes libraries legally unusable by others. A quick search reveals that the "no merge" clause is found in numerous different software licenses: https://www.google.com/search?q="merge+the+Software+into+any+other+software" My best guess is that the clause was originally written for standalone applications (meaning that you're meant to run the software as-is, without copying its source code into your own, or linking your own software to its binaries). However, somewhere along the way the clause got copied directly into a library license, without the involvement of a lawyer who understands software licensing. Perhaps @mabe can clarify? He helped at:

Top Level here almost certainly doesn't mean the diagram of the template VI. Instead LabVIEW distinguishes between a Top Level diagram which is basically the entire diagram window of a VI and sub diagrams such as each individual frame inside a case structure but also the diagram space inside a loop structure for instance. The tricky part may be that the diagram itself may indeed only exist once and remains the same even for clone VIs. The actual relevant part is the data space which is separate for each active clone (when you have shared clones) and unique for each clone (when you have pre-allocated clones).

@Natiq this (non-functional example) should be enough to get you started. The weird arrow thing on the boundaries of the while loop is a shift register. The event structure can also be configured to have a timeout case where you can then perform other stuff, like reading your image and writing it to the reference on the the shift register. There is heaps of information out there (YouTube for example), a bit of searching will lead to some more details.

Close should be inside the loop. Before you start a new file you would close the old one. The file reference you get from opening the file would be put onto a shift register so that you can access it in the next iteration of the while loop. Can you share your code?

Started playing with XNodes a bit and noticed the same behaviour as well. Really upsetting. But there is the solution. Just send FailTransaction reply in a Cancel case in the OnDoubleClick ability of your XNode and that 'dirty dot' never appears! That's exactly what the Timed Loop XNode does internally. Looking at this description I get the impression that this reply was invented precisely to overcome that bug (was even given its own CAR #571353). Similar thread for cross-reference: LabVIEW Bug Report: Error Ring Edit + Cancel modifies the owning VI

Makes sense. It just goes to show how ingrained workflows are and little things can trip you up. I was right-clicking over the N, over the I. Right clicking 2 pixels down/up from the edge. Top edge, bottom edge, left right.

Probably not the feedback you are expecting but we really should do something about the nasty root loop API calls in the input API. I have somewhat progressed with this over the years and have the windows stuff all working for mouse and keyboard (and a little of the Linux) but I don't have a Mac so can't do anything on that. If there is some interest then let me know and I will see if I can allocate time to getting an API together.

I don't have anything to contribute to the development here. Only to say that I really like this type of function, and looking at your source it sure looks efficient. Thanks for sharing.

In the LabVIEW community a phrase that has been used to describe undocumented, or incomplete features of LabVIEW has at times been called Rusty Nails. In searching LAVA it appear this is never explained and so this post is intended to give a brief history with as many details as I know having not been active when this all took place. The earliest reference to "Rusty Nails" found online (thanks to AQ) is by Greg McKaskle of NI in 1999. Someone was asking about all the undocumented INI settings that could be found, and how some weren't exposed to the Tools >> Options dialog. Greg's reply was this: Back in the LabVIEW 5.x and 6.x era there was a new emerging technology that was LabVIEW Scripting. NI had created scripting for their own purposes but the community saw it and wanted to be able to automate editing, or creating LabVIEW code. With the help from Jim Kring and others, the basic tools for enabling scripting in LabVIEW were available. The story of how this came about is worth a post of its own, but the summary is that NI shipped a VI that didn't have a password on the block diagram, which allowed for the creation of any object, given an ID. Using a for loop, you could easily create every object in LabVIEW, including objects which facilitate in creating and manipulating code. Discussing scripting often leads into discussing other INI keys which enable private functions like the well known SuperSecretPrivateSpecialStuff. It is possible this is one of the keys Greg was referring to. Other INI keys from 5.x can be found here. After these discoveries the NI forums started getting users asking about scripting, and private functions. Users were looking for help, and documentation but NI wasn't ready for this knowledge to be public and so they started deleting all posts related to private, and scripting functionality. Some of the motivation for the creation of LAVAG came about by a desire to have an independent place to discuss the LabVIEW topics that NI didn't want to have on the public forums, potentially adding to the number of support calls, and confusing new users with advanced topics that were undocumented or incomplete. After LAVA's creation a subforum section was labeled Rusty Nails, and intended to be a place to discuss Scripting, ExternalNodes, XNodes, Private methods, and general LabVIEW hackery. Over the years several private functions have been made public, and scripting has become an official feature shipping with LabVIEW. Because of this the Rusty Nails and XNodes subforums were combined into what is now the VI Scripting section. Even over on the official NI forums, discussions about private functionality and XNodes has been relaxed since those early days. Asking for private methods and getting unofficial help is something users, and sometimes NI employees will participate in, without the heavy censorship seen earlier. And topics of scripting are encouraged now that the feature has been official since LabVIEW 8.6. If you have anything you'd like me to add regarding scripting's history feel free to reply and I can add it. And if I got any of the details wrong let me know. Again I wasn't around when this all took place and I've just tried putting down the details I've heard from other developers.

I fixed the issue. It was actually kind of funny. So there's a security rule on the server to protect against SQL injection. It found a match with "User_group". I guess it thought someone was trying to get the user data from the database? 😁 I added an exception. All good now.

The idea about NXG in terms of how "bad" the old code base was, always struck me a bit like "throwing out the baby with the bathwater". And while I wasn't involved in any of the user sessions about NXG myself, from the things I heard, I got the impression that they were mainly trying to look for an echo chamber instead of real constructive critique. (Probably one reason I did not get contacted as I never held back about not being a cheerleader). 😁

I did a quick test in a private MediaWiki instance and got it to work using the fix available on GitHub: Switch jquery.cookie to mediawiki.cookie by paladox · Pull Request #1 · debtcompliance/TreeAndMenu · GitHub

Can you please provide an up-to-date solution to the question?

Glad to hear you got it working! The reason it doesn't update is explained in the documentation: https://www.ni.com/docs/en-US/bundle/labview/page/loading-net-assemblies.html#d62572e60

No you can't. This lets you use XNet hardware (which I don't think you have) but use the older NI-CAN drivers. This was intended to help developers transition to the newer XNet hardware but use their old software. You cannot use any XNet sessions on the 8473 hardware.

A little while ago I posted some code on how to create boolean controls with images that scale well because the images are vector based and can scale up or down better than a static image like a PNG. After making that I made a utility that allows for selecting an image, and a control template and it creates the control. I showed this off to Danielle Hamburger and she encouraged me to clean it up and post it to the community. I'm still putting this in the In Development section just because there are several external tools needed that working around would be ideal if this were to be finished but for now it works and I use it often. So it works like you'd think. There is a library of vector images you select from, pick the one you want, then pick the Control Type (which is a folder of CTLs), then click create and it creates the control setting the decal button, VI description (adding License text if needed) and sets the icon editor icon. Dependencies If you just run the Vector Boolean Control Creator you'll need OpenG Time, OpenG File, and the JKI State Machine toolkit installed in LabVIEW 2015 or newer. The included libraries will work without anything else as long as you are in Windows (more on that later). If you want to include your own controls there are a few more steps and I left a text file explaining that in the Template Controls folder, but I included several already. If you want to add your own images I also left instructions in the Libraries folder. I wrote a VI that can convert from SVGs to the needed PNG and EMF files as long as you download inkscape (again instruction text files included). But inkscape is only a dependency if you want to use that utility to add your own libraries which are in SVG. Demo For good measure I made a Jing video showing how it works. Windows Only... So the Windows only part is an interesting one. I started with my UI being just a single 2D picture control and as you type your search in the top, it would go and open each image that matched the result, shift them into rows and columns, detect the number of columns shown, then detect and show mouse selection, and all the other stuff that would be needed. To say the least it was slow. I tried several ways to improve it, but in the end it was slow and I couldn't come up with a solution I liked. I could have added a search button but I really like the live search of typing it in and seeing it update as you type just like the icon editor glyphs do. So for a first release I went with the cheap and hacky solution and that was to leverage some .Net to embed a Windows Explorer window into my front panel, which is just the search results of a folder on disk. This now means you see the PNG images on the front panel, but it will only use that to show the UI to you, but then use the vector based EMF file when creating the control. Doing the search was a bit weird too since I couldn't figure out how invoke a search with the Explorer .Net so instead I wrote to a temp location a saved search that is XML, which I tell the UI to navigate to which then shows the search results. Oh and there is some .Net GDI resize going on so the PNG image is used as icon editor icon for the control but dependency could likely be removed with some G work. Anyway hope people find this useful. Vector Boolean Creator.zip

Because of a thread over on the darkside, I got the motivation to improve this code, and include the Google Material icons in it. I posted the package over on VIPM.IO. This uses the native 2D picture control for displaying icons like I wanted. It still requires Windows due to how icons are resized, but maybe that could be worked around if there is interest. https://www.vipm.io/package/hooovahh_boolean_vector_controls/ Install the package and its dependencies and you'll have a Tools >> Hooovahh >> Boolean Control Creation... Once ran it will start trying to display all the icons the toolkit installed. In the background it will be converting the vector images to 56x56 PNGs to be able to display them in the window. I tried being smart and having it prioritize icons that you scrolled to, but I honestly don't know how well it works. It basically takes about a minute after first launching it to have all of its icons displayed properly. You can use the tool during that minute but not all the icons will be available yet. From that point on you can scroll around and resize the window and it should work as expected, just a little bit slow at times. There is a single constant on the block diagram where you can change the icon side. At one point I had icon size be a control on the front panel but since it took about a minute to process all the images for every change I just left it. Some of the icons have multiple versions. If you left click on an icon and a window pops up you can pick from what version of that icon you'd like to use. Then create a control using that icon. You can theoretically put your own EMF files in the folder with the rest but at the moment it doesn't scan for new files since it is relatively slow to find all icons on every launch. What I'm saying is compromises had to be made. Maybe I could have a separate program that gets ran in the Post Install VI that starts processing the icons right away in parallel. That way the tool might be done processing icons by the time the user launches it for the first time. I did use the Post Install and Post Uninstall to do extra work since there are so many individual files. Normally you'd have VIPM handle the files but it took a long time. So the package just installs a Zip, and the Post Install will unzip them. This also means Post Uninstall needs to delete the extracted files. Not ideal but the install time was much longer otherwise.

There are several alternatives for the NI GPU Toolkit that are considerably more up to date and actually still maintained. https://www.ngene.co/gpu-toolkit-for-labview https://www.g2cpu.com/

When do we get vector graphics in LV?

Here is a quick and dirty edit. It allows for column separators to be moved, but I noticed that on resize it will set the column widths. So this means if you manually move the columns, and then resize the control it may change the columns in an unexpected way. But at that point you can manually move the separators again. I only have 2017 and 2018 so this is for 2017 and newer now. Variant_Probe-2.4.3-0.ogp

Which is funny because when I took them, I thought the CLD was much harder than the CLA.

It's easy, there is probably a vi with that name in memory, so if you would remove the class prefix there would be a conflict. Rename the vi first to something unique and the try to delete it.

Looks like someone beat me to it! Oh well, I already exported it (also for 2009, incidentally) so I'll post it here in case it'd be more convenient to use a regular VI file. 0 to -4096.vi

Updated VIs to obtain hwnd by FP.NativeWindow as suggested above. Saved in LV 2013 SP1. Only tested with Windows 7 64-bit and LV2013 SP1 32-bit. Set Calling VI Wnd Top & Active.vi Set Calling VI Wnd Topmost & Active.vi Cancel Calling VI Wnd Topmost.vi