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  1. Something else I would throw in: If you have an object with a reference in it of any kind, I think it really pays off to have a explicit "allocate" or "connect" or whatever function which converts your object from a "dead" object (ie its just a cluster) to a "living" one, whose state has to be carefully managed. I would also recommend it be different from your "construct" function. A specific pattern I've found to be successful is similar to what manudelavega suggested. You have a "configuration" class and an execution class. You can drop down your config class, change the settings that m
  2. Ah yeah, thats what I meant, a scrolling string rather than a status bar. Thats interesting, I think because I do more RT stuff I tend towards thinking of RT as 'the important thing' and it does all this detailed error logging and recovery while the UI is more...I guess friendly? So if the user does something wrong its not really an error its just a mistake, so the scrolling log trains people how to not do that. Your background color thing is I think along the same lines and I like that idea. I've done something like that once or twice when I felt fancy (pop in a hidden red X next to an
  3. lol No really, I didn't know that. Thats kind of funny. In general I try to use the simple error handler only on exit, and even then its just a bad habit -- nobody ever ever ever ever reads the dialog. You're better off saving it to a log in a folder called "delete me" on the user's desktop . I try to handle errors gracefully and then report the failure in a status log on the bottom of the window (or in the temp dir). That might not be perfect, but at least it keeps a log so people can go back and see "oh man I got that error thats why that operation failed" before completely ignoring the
  4. Another neat option depending on the platform (ok everything except vxworks and pharlap) is to use a traditional web service (apache, etc) to host public content and proxy requests to a given url pattern (like /myLVApp/*) over to the LabVIEW web service. That way static http pages are served up in the normal way by a standard, generally pretty fast web server and anything you need to run code for can still be handled by your labview service. I kind of vaguely describe this over here: https://lavag.org/topic/19260-dynamic-content-in-other-web-servers/ I'm sure Neil's way works well but if thi
  5. if you have the bitfile opened using the normal FPGA open, it should be compiled into the rtexe. It should also work if you are referencing it by path. The error you posted relates to flashing it on the FPGA, which is only necessary if you want the FPGA to boot before your exe does.
  6. Michael did you ever figure out a solution? I was just trying to figure this out today and found a bunch of threads from a decade ago about this, but haven't found anyone with a solution to the problem. The silly solution I've come up with is to use pt->row on coordinates +/- 5 pixels and if the tag changes then it must be on that border...but I don't like this idea. And this only really works for me because (right now) only one type of element in the tree is allowed to accept children, so I just need to check for that and can either drop or insert based on that property.
  7. what are your workarounds? the thing that comes to mind is always do var->lvobj first, then lvobj->child class, but thats could certainly get ugly. Where specifically is this coming up in the code?
  8. This makes sense if you break them both down: Top option: -Load int, load int (likely pre-loaded since I'm assuming thats the point of letting labview do autoindexing, so it should be fast) -Add int, int -Convert someIntType->int (likely free) -Add int, int -Convert result to I32 (maybe free) -Bounds check on index -Random access from memory at index ...still waiting ...still waiting... ...still waiting... ...result -Store result in output array Bottom Option: -Load int, int (fast) -Or int, int -And int, int -Move result to output array Some of it happens in pa
  9. I dont have the code in front of me so forgive me if I'm off a bit, but I think there are two options here and I'd like to be sure which you're proposing: -To Json which produces a raw string -To json which produces a json.lvlib object, which the library then flattens in the usual way into a string. I'd prefer the second option myself...is that what you're going for? Yeah. Its probably OK on desktop but its realllly slow on RT and probably not suitable for any code which is run regularly.
  10. Also keep in mind providing random values to a case structure means a lot of conditional jumps that the processor gets wrong. You're trading the execution time of an AND or an OR for the execution time of finding the next operation to call in memory and potentially getting the wrong one and having to back up. I'm actually surprised the case structure isn't significantly worse.
  11. As hoovah and mark said you probably want something more like the standalone cDAQ-9132 which has an RT controller but still uses daqmx (its $1k more though, because the cDAQ doesn't come in a "value" line -- it does come with the monitor out, x64 linux, and a much faster processor so it may be worth the cash anyway). If you actually do need the FPGA because of timing, processing, or specific I/O needs then it is absolutely possible to simulate the FPGA and RT code, something which has gotten steadily better over the years. Is it seamless, no, but it works well enough. http://www.ni.com/wh
  12. from what I can tell, people like to use that to make hard to read code such that a particular function (with side effects) will or won't get called depending on earlier boolean expressions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation Either way, its more realistic to say that the behavior is defined like this rather than that the compiler does some special optimization. labview's compiler simply doesn't do the same: "The short-circuit expression x Sand y (using Sand to denote the short-circuit variety) is equivalent to the conditional expression if x then y else false; the ex
  13. Thanks In the other thread I mentioned I used this to make a quick demo for freeboard using the CVT. I've attached the demo here. To use it: 1. Unzip the attached freeboard demo.zip 2. Install the CVT (current value table) from VI Package manager 3. Download https://caddyserver.com/download and extract to the same folder as the zip. Caddy.exe and "caddyfile" should be in the same directory. 4. Optional: switch up the ports in "caddyfile". 5. Open zip/lv/sampleweb.lvproj, then open server.vi 6. Optional: switch up the ports 7. Press run 8. Run caddy.exe 9. Go to localhost in you
  14. Depends on what exactly is taking 1 second. If its the conversion from cluster to json string, well that library, if I remember correctly, is on the slow side. I'd recommend this one: https://lavag.org/files/file/216-json-labview/ or of course the built-in flatten to json which is even faster.
  15. I've occasionally seen or heard from people wondering about hosting labview web services in other servers, like apache, microsoft IIS, or nginx. They may already have a server they just want to plug into, or maybe they want to use some of the more advanced features available in other servers -- for example LDAP/activedirectory authentication (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_authnz_ldap.html). However dynamic content still needs to be provided somehow, from LabVIEW. I've never really done too much with web services and I was curious how this stuff works in other languages. I'm fairly
  16. Xnet is supported with the newer modules. The only CAN module which requires FPGA coding is the really old one. PXI only has XNet so you're safe there. As mentioned, serial can be done through RT/VISA-only, you just need the right driver. Also as mentioned, the general use for RT is to have a separate controller and HMI. This improves determinism but is also kind of freeing -- its a ton easier to separate work out to multiple developers so long as you all know what communication you're using to interact. And of course you can use whatever mechanism you want. Frequently I've seen the host s
  17. Wow, that freeboard.io page is pretty sweet. I played around with it and made something simple using the CVT, might post a little tutorial for interested parties if I have time. I like that it just takes a json blob and then lets you display it. The only downside I can see (vs something like data dashboard) is you don't seem to have the ability to set values using it. Its probably not too hard to add some js to send value change events, but it'd be cool if it were baked in. Also, if anyone ever uses their own web server like apache or nginx or whatever, and have found that its annoy
  18. For network comms I'd just read this: http://www.ni.com/pdf/products/us/criodevguidesec2.pdf Communication options are pretty numerous. There are stream-based mechanisms (TCP), message mechanisms (network streams, STM, web services), and tag based mechanisms (shared variables, OPC UA, modbus). The mechanisms are the same for cRIO and for PXI. Those are all examples, not the complete set. For a scada system, OPC UA is probably a great fit but you won't get waveforms for example. Many systems use multiple mechanisms.
  19. Is there a way to dynamically generate those non-value-change events? I was under the impression that was one of the roadblocks to UI testing automation. This thing seems to work around it but I dont know how.
  20. Absolutely, and I've asked this question internally too. I'm really just curious, because I think its cool too and want to use it but haven't found a problem to throw it at
  21. PXI rt doesn't support full displays--in fact, at this exact moment you're better off with the new atom cRIOs for that purpose. You can plug in a displayport cable and most UI elements (please please check them first) will render correctly. The big example of something that doesn't is subpanels (last I heard). This does reduce determinism (the GPU is firing off interrupts) but not as much as you might think. There are specs out there, probably but I don't think it goes above maybe 50 or 100 usec of jitter. All the RTOSs use essentially a combo of preemptive scheduling (time critical, then
  22. I don't want to knock this because it really is pretty awesome (as are the many alternatives), but I'm curious for myself how often y'all end up actually needing tools like this? I feel like it should be a ton given how many different options there are, but I personally have only had a few people come to me and say they wanted this...and even then, they really only wanted to see a demo and then they promptly forgot about it. So...is this actually a common need and I just don't see it where I'm at, or is it more like "man look at this sweet thing I can do"?
  23. The DVR is in the language for a reason and has high value, but don't use it just because you would use a pointer in other languages. The FGV is used for similar purposes but has disadvantages with regards to scalability, lifetime control, and code comprehension. But I also have a huge vendetta against the FGV. Other folks on the forum might say a DVR is just like an FGV with more annoying syntax and useless features. This can cause deadlocks more easily than a DVR and I believe I've seen aristos post elsewhere that fixing the SEQ is essentially the reason for adding the DVR to the la
  24. Sorry, I don't think I was describing things properly. All I was saying is, lets say I want to do XYZ with a TDMS file. You could do all the TDMS VI calls directly but from the other thread and my own experience you end up doing a lot of metadata prep before you're ready to log data, and even then you probably have some specific format you want to use. Rather than directly making some QMH to do all these things, I personally would prefer to wrap that logic into a small library. I've tried to use 'off the shelf' processes in the past and have sometimes been unsuccessful because some
  25. You need to right click on the web service in the project and select start. Doing "publish" will have it run in the application web server context, while "start" runs in the project context (and I think probably doesn't show up in the WIF viewer).
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