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On 12/15/2021 at 6:25 AM, Rolf Kalbermatter said:

And the Community Edition does not include things like RT, FPGA, and just about every other thing with a paid license including the Application Builder.

Community Edition does have Application Builder.

  

On 1/8/2022 at 6:42 AM, Rolf Kalbermatter said:

While I do believe that the LabVIEW developers and the managers who directly work there really would like to make LabVIEW a good and flourishing product, I feel the higher management has already decided that this is going to be a dead end and have very little intentions to do anything else than let it bleed to death, so they can get rid of that liability.

Are you saying you think they're looking to discontinue LabVIEW? If they aren't going to sell it anymore, it would be great if they'd make it open source. Not sure how likely that is though.

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14 hours ago, flarn2006 said:

Are you saying you think they're looking to discontinue LabVIEW? If they aren't going to sell it anymore, it would be great if they'd make it open source. Not sure how likely that is though.

Open sourcing sounds very unlikely. And what I feel here is not that they will abandon it in the next few years just like that. There is also the question about their original assurance for a software escrow of LabVIEW, that NI used when trying to convince companies to use LabVIEW in the 90ies. Never heard about that since, so it may have been not much more than a smoke screen or some empty promise, or it may still be an actual fact.

But if you look at what is happening with LabWindows CVI now, it may be an indication about what they are heading for with LabVIEW in the coming 10 years. And NI's track record with acquired software and how they treated it is not very encouraging either. Ever heard of HIQ, Lookout, BridgeVIEW, Electronics Workbench and a few others?

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8 hours ago, Rolf Kalbermatter said:

But if you look at what is happening with LabWindows CVI now, it may be an indication about what they are heading for with LabVIEW in the coming 10 years. And NI's track record with acquired software and how they treated it is not very encouraging either. Ever heard of HIQ, Lookout, BridgeVIEW, Electronics Workbench and a few others?

What is happening with LabWindows/CVI?

I have heard of HiQ, even tried it when it became an NI product. It appears dead according to the forums: https://forums.ni.com/t5/HiQ/bd-p/160

The others ring a bell, but I never tried them.

This thread on Lookout tells it all: https://forums.ni.com/t5/Lookout/NI-Lookout-Support/td-p/3278274

BridgeView is now LabVIEW DSC according to this: https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/What-is-or-was-BridgeVIEW/td-p/248264

Electronics Workbench is now MultiSim according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_Multisim

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21 hours ago, X___ said:

What is happening with LabWindows/CVI?

I have heard of HiQ, even tried it when it became an NI product. It appears dead according to the forums: https://forums.ni.com/t5/HiQ/bd-p/160

The others ring a bell, but I never tried them.

This thread on Lookout tells it all: https://forums.ni.com/t5/Lookout/NI-Lookout-Support/td-p/3278274

BridgeView is now LabVIEW DSC according to this: https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/What-is-or-was-BridgeVIEW/td-p/248264

Electronics Workbench is now MultiSim according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_Multisim

Indeed and LabVIEW DSC is on the way out. There have been no updates to it in years and support questions are blissfully ignored for a long time.

HIQ was acquired in the first half of the 90ies and had the potential to compete with Mathematica and Matlab back then, but NI mainly used it to cannibalize some of its mathematical routines and add some of it to LabVIEW and then lost interest on it.

Lookout was acquired around the some time. It was a very unique DSC software package with a rather interesting object oriented architecture. NI used the low level components to create its Logos network protocol infrastructure on which things like Datasocket and later Shared Variables were implemented. They also used various components of Lookout to convert the originally purely LabVIEW based BridgeVIEW system into LabVIEW DSC. After that Lookout spend its existence as a rather badly cared for step child in the NI product portfolio and eventually nobody was left over to support it anymore.

LabWindows/CVI changed from yearly updates with new features added regularly to two year updates with not much more than cosmetic bugfixes for several years already. It's worse in terms of new features added than LabVIEW ever was for many years. But with LabVIEW they used the excuse that all effort was directed towards LabVIEW NXG and LabVIEW was going to be replaced by it one day.

NI MultiSim used to be two products from the same company (Electronics Workbench)  who were named Electronics Workbench and ULTIboard before they got acquired by NI and were at that time one of the leading EDA products in the educational market worldwide. Nowadays they are completely insignificant in the EDA market. If you have the money you will subscribe to Altium Designer, if you try to be a bit cheaper you may use Autodesk Fusion 360 or if you are an old time Eagle user then maybe Autodesk Eagle PCB and if you insist on Open Source then KiCAD will be very likely your choice (which has made large strides since CERN has decided to back it). Electronics Workbench (or NI MultiSIM) is not on that list for sure. I have used it a few times since it is part of our Alliance Member software lease but it is not up to the task of creating modern PCB designs and hence not worth the effort to learn its many specific mechanisms and bugs.

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Sort of squares with the links I posted. But that's the life of software or most products in general...

It would be preposterous for NI to claim that they will bring LabVIEW to the TIOBE index or similar ranking lists, but there is a difference between running out of idea for a product (which might be the case and justify your prediction of the future demise of the language) and corporate double-speak like what we were served when they axed NXG: https://forums.ni.com/t5/LabVIEW/Our-Commitment-to-LabVIEW-as-we-Expand-our-Software-Portfolio/td-p/4101878

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Discussing the new SaaS LabVIEW model with the IT officer in charge of paying for our Departmental subscription, it dawned on to me that they could very conceivably decide not to continue paying for our license at any point in the future, due to the dwindling demand for LabVIEW in industry (and increasing pull to Python and other alternative).

This would leave us peons to have to shell for individual seat licenses from our meager federal grants, something that is not sustainable. In other words, I have concluded that I will try out LV 2021 SP1 when it is released (presumably not yet SaaS), and if no major bugs prevent me from working with it, I will stop there and start migrating all my applications to py-prefix named ones. Otherwise, I will stick to LV 2019 and do the same.

To each his/her/their own ambition, I guess.

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